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Old 01-17-2009 | 05:20 PM
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Re: Omr Subcage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe ask around some diesel sites whats the best fuel additive .

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Re: Omr Subcage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Crazy D
You mentioned you had problems starting your truck . I suggested leaving your truck running as a solution to fuel gel-ing , isn't a good idea .

I do believe IHC has made a program in some single box ECM T444e's that will automatically bump the idle , if it senses the truck is at idle for more than 5 minutes . But you still do excessive wear to any engine if you leave a truck running at high idle .

I think the single box T444e's started around model year 2000 .
My truck does high idle and sctivates the exhaust back pressure valve already. It sounds like a jet taking off when it does that. Idling my truck 24/7 isn't an option. It was just the one day that it was -16 that I had problems. Don't expect to see temps like that for another 17 years. It was a fluke that it was that cold.
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You could also try running a somewhat thinner engine oil .
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At my work , many trucks , all different engines , gas and diesel , threw up massive engine codes , and wouldn't run correctly on the road , during the cold spell .

All the 444e's and IHC VT365's ran pretty good though . I only had one write up on a T444e , and the complaint was a little bit of excessive black smoke .
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Re: Omr Subcage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Crazy D
At my work , many trucks , all different engines , gas and diesel , threw up massive engine codes , and wouldn't run correctly on the road , during the cold spell .

All the 444e's and IHC VT365's ran pretty good though . I only had one write up on a T444e , and the complaint was a little bit of excessive black smoke .

i just finished up putting my girls tranny back in, suprisingly it went it pretty easy. it took me 3 days working on it about 4 hours a day to get it out, it fought me with everything, i was dreading putting it back in. with my friend helping me, we knocked it out in about 4 hours.
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Re: Omr Subcage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Crazy D
You could also try running a somewhat thinner engine oil .
I already run rotella 5w40 synthetic. The only reason I had problems was because the diesel gelled. It actually started and ran 2-3 minutes and got me about 1/2 a mile before it quit.
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Re: Omr Subcage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Crazy D
At my work , many trucks , all different engines , gas and diesel , threw up massive engine codes , and wouldn't run correctly on the road , during the cold spell .

All the 444e's and IHC VT365's ran pretty good though . I only had one write up on a T444e , and the complaint was a little bit of excessive black smoke .
Wouldn't it be excessive white smoke?
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My roomate is a dispatcher for a trucking company. He said Friday was a nightmare because a ton of trucks were down. Talking to a plow guy he said a lot of companies weren't able to plow because a lot of the diesel plow trucks wouldn't start.
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Re: Omr Subcage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by NINER
Wouldn't it be excessive white smoke?
The only thing i could think of was that the engine was having a little trouble burning the super cold fuel , when put under a load , and not getting a full combustion and dumping out the unburnt . It was only really coming off of 1st gear where the most load on the engine is , from a stop .
Once the truck was rolling , it wasn't a problem .

This happened on Thursday night , when it was the coldest here . He didn't have a problem on friday . It was about 10 warmer friday , about 0 degrees .

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I also i believe , in newer model 444e's , at some time , there was an upgrade in the style of injectors . And for some reason , the do not like to fire good under extreme cold conditions . Some times they will not even fire a good fuel shot .

You usually don't see this problem with the 90's 444e's . I mean they all might need a little ether shot to get going at first in super cold weather , but newer 444e's don't like to keep running , after a good ether spray .
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Re: Omr Subcage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Crazy D
I also i believe , in newer model 444e's , at some time , there was an upgrade in the style of injectors . And for some reason , the do not like to fire good under extreme cold conditions . Some times they will not even fire a good fuel shot .

You usually don't see this problem with the 90's 444e's . I mean they all might need a little ether shot to get going at first in super cold weather , but newer 444e's don't like to keep running , after a good ether spray .
Ether is a diesel is really really bad news from what I have heard. You talking about split shots vs single shots?
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Re: Omr Subcage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do like russians do and just use fire on a stick to unfreeze your engine

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Ether is a diesel is really really bad news from what I have heard. You talking about split shots vs single shots?
Heui injection sucks. I really want a CR cumins in my truck.
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Do like russians do and just use fire on a stick to unfreeze your engine
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When does the bid for the steel contract happen?????
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When does the bid for the steel contract happen?????
Midnight central.
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Midnight central.
I'm not sure if I should wait for that or head back to carns
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Originally Posted by NINER
Ether is a diesel is really really bad news from what I have heard. You talking about split shots vs single shots?
I try not to use ether . But when it's -15 outside , and trucks have to be parked in the building for service , you gotta do what you gotta do .

As for the injectors , i think they changed something internally , or with the nozzle tip .

I'm sure you already know that a 444e injector needs high oil pressure to fire off . Something happens inside that injector , at the time of firing , on newer 444e injectors .

At least thats what i think though


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