954RR vs. 1000RR
07-17-2004 | 11:41 AM
#21
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Re: 954RR vs. 1000RR
Originally Posted by Speedballer
F4i, 900RR, 929 and 954 ain't "race" bikes. They are sport bikes....big difference.
R6, GSXR, 600/1000RR are racebikes.
R6, GSXR, 600/1000RR are racebikes.
they arent race bikes, yet 'RR' means 'race ready'?
hm...sound pretty race-bikey to me.
07-21-2004 | 04:21 PM
#24
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From: Denver, CO
Re: 954RR vs. 1000RR
Dude,,,
1st of all a 954 and a 929 are just as much "race bikes" (whatever the hell that means) as the 1000rr, each one of these bikes were made by Honda for the street but also as a platform to race with. you would have to spend just as much money on a 1000rr as you would anything else to make track ready. Thought you guys would know that. Now the difference is, the available technology for the time period and the lead engineer that built it and what his overall goad was. For example the 954 was designed for what Honda claimed "total control" in other words a very responsive and flickable motorcycle. The 1000rr is designed for more stability in cornering, it's a little bit longer, it utilizes a unit pro link suspension, steering damper, a larger motor with a cassette style transmission. It is more aggressive and due to it's new suspension it will do corners almost for you. The 1000rr also utilizes a underseat exhaust which is to give it the RC211V look. This is NOT A TRACK BIKE OUT OF THE BOX which is what I think you meant by "race bike" (still sounds stupid). It is a race replica which I do believe the RR is for.
Now about the 954 the 954 is a 929 evolved that's all. All hondas have some feature on them that came from the track in the 954s case it's the swing arm more than anything. there have been a great deal of modifications done to the bike to make it the CBR954RR like modified fuel injection, body work, a little chasis changes here and there.
I would think the 1000rr would be a good stuntbike just like any other late model sportbike, I'm sure the unit pro-link helps keep the front tire down but I know for a fact that is only in referance to the 1st couple inches, because once it's up, hey it's up and with the 1000cc motor behind it how much can a different style suspension keep it down,,,really. Besides the fact is no bike is ever designed for stunting actually the closest it gets to a factory stunt bike is a Buell believe it or not, that is eric Buells vision. That and real world cornering. Hondas,,,all Hondas are nice because of the strength of the frame thier brakes are always good and they are just really put together well.
Get on both get the one your comfy with, end of story.
And speedballer,,, dude,,,,,seriously,,,race bike? Sometime you'll have to let me know what a race bike is. I know, but you dunno
1st of all a 954 and a 929 are just as much "race bikes" (whatever the hell that means) as the 1000rr, each one of these bikes were made by Honda for the street but also as a platform to race with. you would have to spend just as much money on a 1000rr as you would anything else to make track ready. Thought you guys would know that. Now the difference is, the available technology for the time period and the lead engineer that built it and what his overall goad was. For example the 954 was designed for what Honda claimed "total control" in other words a very responsive and flickable motorcycle. The 1000rr is designed for more stability in cornering, it's a little bit longer, it utilizes a unit pro link suspension, steering damper, a larger motor with a cassette style transmission. It is more aggressive and due to it's new suspension it will do corners almost for you. The 1000rr also utilizes a underseat exhaust which is to give it the RC211V look. This is NOT A TRACK BIKE OUT OF THE BOX which is what I think you meant by "race bike" (still sounds stupid). It is a race replica which I do believe the RR is for.
Now about the 954 the 954 is a 929 evolved that's all. All hondas have some feature on them that came from the track in the 954s case it's the swing arm more than anything. there have been a great deal of modifications done to the bike to make it the CBR954RR like modified fuel injection, body work, a little chasis changes here and there.
I would think the 1000rr would be a good stuntbike just like any other late model sportbike, I'm sure the unit pro-link helps keep the front tire down but I know for a fact that is only in referance to the 1st couple inches, because once it's up, hey it's up and with the 1000cc motor behind it how much can a different style suspension keep it down,,,really. Besides the fact is no bike is ever designed for stunting actually the closest it gets to a factory stunt bike is a Buell believe it or not, that is eric Buells vision. That and real world cornering. Hondas,,,all Hondas are nice because of the strength of the frame thier brakes are always good and they are just really put together well.
Get on both get the one your comfy with, end of story.
And speedballer,,, dude,,,,,seriously,,,race bike? Sometime you'll have to let me know what a race bike is. I know, but you dunno
07-21-2004 | 04:59 PM
#25
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Re: 954RR vs. 1000RR
Originally Posted by KungFu954
Dude,,,
1st of all a 954 and a 929 are just as much "race bikes" (whatever the hell that means) as the 1000rr, each one of these bikes were made by Honda for the street but also as a platform to race with......
1st of all a 954 and a 929 are just as much "race bikes" (whatever the hell that means) as the 1000rr, each one of these bikes were made by Honda for the street but also as a platform to race with......
That is why Honda NEVER raced the 929/954, instead they raced their race-bike...the RC-51.
F4i was designed as a comfortable sportbike....600RR is designed as a racebike. Has nothing to do w/ technology...has to do w/ intent.
Same w/ 929/954. Comfortable sport/streetbike. 1000RR, as close to a racebike as Honda will make.
Sure, any bike can be turned into a racebike, but the 929/954 were NEVER intended to be raced. Inherent problems are the limited ground clearance of the stator and weight, low mounted pegs, high mounted bars, non-quick disconnect wheels, brakes, tank, etc.
You want to know what a racebike is, get a gsxr and start pulling it apart...it is designed for racing. The 929 is a streetbike. Sure, you can change a bunch of stuff, but until you do...it is still a streetbike.
07-21-2004 | 05:11 PM
#26
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From: Denver, CO
Re: 954RR vs. 1000RR
damnit,
The RC-51 was raced because of the old rules in world superbike prohibiting the use of a liter size inline 4. the RC-51 is a replica as well, you have to do the same things to it that you have to do to any other bike, like case covers lock wireing ext. Brittish superbike was the only ones racing the liter size inline 4. The new rules state that you can use an inline 4 liter but it must have an air box restrictor installed. The 1000rr is a replica just like the rest of them. the F4i and the 600rr is another story, the F4i was the top selling 600 sportbike in a lot of places so, since Honda already had 2 different models of the F4i they eliminated one of them and brought in the F4i with the one piece seat that has previously been a huge hit in Europe. Why ake something off the market if they still have a bunch of them around and are making a ton of money still. instead after the 600rr release they left both models on the market otherwise the 600rr would have replced it.
Like I said all of them need the same thing to be race ready. Even the RC-51.
The RC-51 was raced because of the old rules in world superbike prohibiting the use of a liter size inline 4. the RC-51 is a replica as well, you have to do the same things to it that you have to do to any other bike, like case covers lock wireing ext. Brittish superbike was the only ones racing the liter size inline 4. The new rules state that you can use an inline 4 liter but it must have an air box restrictor installed. The 1000rr is a replica just like the rest of them. the F4i and the 600rr is another story, the F4i was the top selling 600 sportbike in a lot of places so, since Honda already had 2 different models of the F4i they eliminated one of them and brought in the F4i with the one piece seat that has previously been a huge hit in Europe. Why ake something off the market if they still have a bunch of them around and are making a ton of money still. instead after the 600rr release they left both models on the market otherwise the 600rr would have replced it.
Like I said all of them need the same thing to be race ready. Even the RC-51.
07-26-2004 | 11:41 AM
#27
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Re: 954RR vs. 1000RR
On the amature circut they will let bikes up to 955cc race in the 600 sets. Its because they get their asses kicked in the cornes and the 600s pretty much dominate. Race bikes yikes. I don't see how all sport bikes woul dbe race bikes? That's like saying all Ferarris are race cars. They are just quick and ment for fun and power. Same concept.
That being said i would say get the 954 it's why alot of teh big guys are using so there has to be something to it.
That being said i would say get the 954 it's why alot of teh big guys are using so there has to be something to it.
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