Stunter Qualifications??
12-12-2002 | 12:15 AM
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NUMBER 1 - "STUNTER" IS A BUZZWORD THAT GETS THROWN AROUND IN OUR COMMUNITY. jUST LIKE GUYS WHO GO OUT AND DRAG RACE ON WEEKENDS R STILL CONSIDERED (BY THEMSELVES AND MANY OTHERS) RACERS, AND THE GUY WHO GOS OUT AND "JUMPS **** AND LIGHTS IT ON FIRE" IS A MX FREESTYLER/DIRT RIDER. iT IS A GENRE (I THINK I SPELLED THAT RIGHT AND I THINK ITS THE WORD I WANTED TO USE) OR SECTION/STYLE OF THE MOTORCYCLING COMMUNITY (SORRY JUST REALIZED CAPS LOCK WAS ON). One that goes out and prefers this style/genre of riding is no less a stunter than one who has a video or competes. The difference lies in two areas skill level and the almighty dollar. See we are a family of stunt riders some of us recreational, some of us amateur competeters, and even some have attained that hily grail and are able to do it for there living (the last being PROFESSIONAL STUNT RIDERS) but the one thing that makes us special is that we have come to that crossroad in our sport (the cross all sports like ours make from recreational without acceptance to professional with a shot at acceptance) and seemingly have taken a less travelled path, the one that keeps us more like family than business, the one that has allowed us to respect each other and "stay grounded" for all of our efforts and abilities however great or small. Come on do u think u would ever see a board like this for nascar where dale earnhardt jr. , kyle petty, and jeff gordon open there homes to other stunters professional and non-professional for good times and competition like the starboys/pbr/triple x and many others across the country have done?????????? I never have seen it (although i may be wrong). We as a FAMILY OF STUNTERS all root for each other to succeed and have shown we will be there to help pick up the pieces when others fail, that is somethin we should all be proud of. So yeah i guess i would have to agree "stunter" is an attitude, it is a skill level, and it is a way of life, but most importantly alot of you have also proven time and time again it is a family first. A well balanced family of those just learning, those who are well on their way, and those who have made it as professional stunters, and we definatly cant forget the support crew part of the family- those that shoo/edit the pics and videos, the girlfriends, boyfriends,wives, husbands, and children who act as cooks nurses friends and the occasional 2-up stunter. (yeah i know it was long winded but thats the best way i felt i could answer it)
oh 2nd thing - thomas, after the conversation i had with ronnie the other night about u and a handful of others involved in the xsba - u have every right to defend something u have put alot of effort into - and as a quad stunter(and hopefully one day bike stunter) and a huge fan - keep it up yer giving all of us a chance to show the nay sayers that we are a legitimate sport that takes alot of skill and talent and we are here to stay not just some flash in the pan that can be quietly swept away. For that i personnaly thank u (and all the others sponsoring our events and riders)for ur hard work:D :D
Scott
P.S> - sorry so long guys gimme a break i just got out of the hospital and had alot of pent up energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh 2nd thing - thomas, after the conversation i had with ronnie the other night about u and a handful of others involved in the xsba - u have every right to defend something u have put alot of effort into - and as a quad stunter(and hopefully one day bike stunter) and a huge fan - keep it up yer giving all of us a chance to show the nay sayers that we are a legitimate sport that takes alot of skill and talent and we are here to stay not just some flash in the pan that can be quietly swept away. For that i personnaly thank u (and all the others sponsoring our events and riders)for ur hard work:D :D
Scott
P.S> - sorry so long guys gimme a break i just got out of the hospital and had alot of pent up energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12-12-2002 | 12:45 AM
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Good Thread
This is the best thread I think I have read. Good input by everyone. No one is upset, thoughtful answers, good insight. What a great thread.
My thought is this if you practice to get better your a stunter. Stunter has a Million subsets, from the rookie all the way up to the likes of Thew. Not to mention the other great ridders that made up his competition.
NUMBER STUNTER WHA.. WHA... WHA... Wha...(Little Wayne said What?)
PS:This was a show on Belle Isle in Detroit,1096,2Extreem,and us.
My thought is this if you practice to get better your a stunter. Stunter has a Million subsets, from the rookie all the way up to the likes of Thew. Not to mention the other great ridders that made up his competition.
NUMBER STUNTER WHA.. WHA... WHA... Wha...(Little Wayne said What?)
PS:This was a show on Belle Isle in Detroit,1096,2Extreem,and us.
Last edited by Schwartz; 12-12-2002 at 12:48 AM.
12-12-2002 | 01:38 AM
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Personally, stuntin is different for me. You should be well rounded (i am trying). Wheelies, endos, and acrobatics. Most important, attitude. I mean take a group like Triple Xtreme, yeah they do alot of crazy and innovative stuff, but they have an attitude about what they do....just a gangsta attitude. Anyone can crank a 12 and then be a herb about it, but there is a certain style to it.
As for 12's, i don;t think you have to have 12's on lock to be a stunter. I mean what good is a 12 if thats all you can do all day long? Everyone has their specialty, but they should have a ton of **** in their bag.
Myself, i really right now can only stand up wheelie quite a ways and roll some different endos, but i am working on 12's so i can be more diverse. Its not about the guy who pulls the rabbit out of the hat, its all about the guy who says **** that, watch this, and shoots the rabbit...
As for 12's, i don;t think you have to have 12's on lock to be a stunter. I mean what good is a 12 if thats all you can do all day long? Everyone has their specialty, but they should have a ton of **** in their bag.
Myself, i really right now can only stand up wheelie quite a ways and roll some different endos, but i am working on 12's so i can be more diverse. Its not about the guy who pulls the rabbit out of the hat, its all about the guy who says **** that, watch this, and shoots the rabbit...
12-12-2002 | 05:59 AM
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Attitude???
This the same xXx I know? Cause the guys I meet had ZERO attitude towards me. If you met Kyle you'd know he's the guy that would shoot the Rabbit after wippen his butt with it.
Last edited by Schwartz; 12-12-2002 at 06:02 AM.
12-12-2002 | 11:11 AM
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Re: Attitude???
Originally posted by Schwartz
This the same xXx I know? Cause the guys I meet had ZERO attitude towards me. If you met Kyle you'd know he's the guy that would shoot the Rabbit after wippen his butt with it.
This the same xXx I know? Cause the guys I meet had ZERO attitude towards me. If you met Kyle you'd know he's the guy that would shoot the Rabbit after wippen his butt with it.
12-12-2002 | 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by DSOG Thomas
Brian were you even arguing with me?
i dunno i just re read it agin, I dont knwo who u were arguing with
im cuntfused lol
Brian were you even arguing with me?
i dunno i just re read it agin, I dont knwo who u were arguing with
im cuntfused lol
hehehe. I wasn't arguing with ya buddy. I was just seeing where you're at and where the XSBA is stands with the new rule book.
I guess I was disappointed with the final decision after Pocono. I saw Chauncey and Chris rip **** up that weekend!! Chauncey's qualifying run in Pocono was the best 3 minutes of stunts I've ever seen (period) and he didn't qualify #1.... that blew me away!!! Not only that, Chris's final run was off the hook!!! The crowd "Boo'd" 3 times at the results!!
Listen, basically I wanted to see why quality of execution isn' taken more into consideration. I know it's not easy to judge these events (and the grass is always greener on the other side). I'm well aware that rules are being developed and changing all the time through experience..... I know.... I've been there since day 1.
Hopefully things work out for everyone. As of right now, things couldn't be better. I love the XSBA and what it brings to the table. I look forward to every event and can't wait until this thing BLOWS UP!!
Thanks Thomas!!
Lata,
Bri
PS. About arguing with you and the blue sky thing? You shouldn't look at these discussions / posts as arguments.... you should look at them as quality constructive criticism. We are the stunters here..... we are the future. Take Care!!
Last edited by Brian_C6; 12-12-2002 at 11:23 AM.
12-12-2002 | 01:51 PM
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my bad its so long.....
True, No doubt.... I appreciate the openess we all have with each other more than you know
its just weird sometimes, like having your business on the street and everyone talking about it in front of your face.
HOPEFULLY, we will get enough qualified people at each event that arent riding who want to judge, like Ronnie did at Daytona
Dont talk about it, be about it....if you think there may be a problem somewhere offer to help fix it (general statement)
and Sclevela, the only reason ronnie talks so nice is because he tried to get in a fight with me over some cow tipping **** once, and i punched his girlfriend in the face
I think the funny thing that people dont understand is that the XSBA isnt some huge conglomerate, its just Ken and I, we are still just something that they give us a small budget to do. I think by years end all of this will change though....all of us have to stay on it, and talk it up to everyone you meet, (restarant managers anyone), yall have to email people like MTV, fox sports, Speedvision, MotoWorld on ESPN, email big motorcycle related companies consistently ..... Everyone email rideicon.com , I have emailed them 2 times, NO RESPONSE!! how they expect to make $ off of stunters when they aint supporting us.... at least alpinestars sees and supports a few teams with gear.
I sit up late nights a lot, just surfing and emailing people, basically saying........ Have you seen "Sportbike Freestyle" Please check out www.xsba.com for the national Freestyle Sportbike Series
The reason I use the XSBA site is that, if an outsider looks and sees, CCE/ monstertruck links/FMX links/ Daytona speedway and **** like that, they are going to thinks its mainstream and that they are missing out on something
you never know where that email might get you, or the sport, enough emails like that from different addresses and Joe Schmoe CEO is gonna be like Damn, i wanna give them $50k for a points fund! (whats the national champ gonna do when he gets a check for 20k at the end of the year?)
I EXPECT EVERYONE HERE CAN DO THE SAME RIGHT? its the little things that anyone can do that are gonna take us over the top
Next subject-I changed one judging rule, and we see how it raised the bar since road america and beyond Brian I see what your saying about the Quality of execution, and i think it is important and should be discussed... but in my opinion, if execution is exaulted too high, it may discourage new tricks, riders taking risks etc. Chauncey tried the Capt America at Daytona, didnt execute perfectly, but basically it helped more than it hindered. Dan does backwards burnouts, looks shaky for a minute, then gets crazy... to me its not perfect execution but its good for the crowd to see
if you did it 50% of the time perfect and 50% you fell, would you risk trying it in a finals run where you thought it may cost you $1,000 thats why execution and difficulty are hand in hand and carry the same weight, if you try a backwards burnout, do it for 2 seconds and stop then move on, ok u didnt execute perfectly, but im gonna give you an extra point for difficulty
and who the hell can judge perfect execution? flamingo for instance... leg straight out?? leg bent upwards?? who does it how, and which way is the correct way?? there are different styles.
Skill and execution is what the europeans concentrate a lot on, but look at all of thier runs, they dont get you excited, they are slow and calculated, 1 trick per pass, no combos....who should win if they competed in the XSBA? (i dont mean Farias/Rothwell lol, just the european style in general)
personally, I want to see SKILL get you there, and GOING BUCK *** WILD BREAKING **** LIGHTING **** ON FIRE MAKING YOU #1 if you do a solid run for 2 minutes, then get ******* crazy and put the crowd on its feet for the last minute.... you deserve to win.... just my opinion
its just weird sometimes, like having your business on the street and everyone talking about it in front of your face.
HOPEFULLY, we will get enough qualified people at each event that arent riding who want to judge, like Ronnie did at Daytona
Dont talk about it, be about it....if you think there may be a problem somewhere offer to help fix it (general statement)
and Sclevela, the only reason ronnie talks so nice is because he tried to get in a fight with me over some cow tipping **** once, and i punched his girlfriend in the face
I think the funny thing that people dont understand is that the XSBA isnt some huge conglomerate, its just Ken and I, we are still just something that they give us a small budget to do. I think by years end all of this will change though....all of us have to stay on it, and talk it up to everyone you meet, (restarant managers anyone), yall have to email people like MTV, fox sports, Speedvision, MotoWorld on ESPN, email big motorcycle related companies consistently ..... Everyone email rideicon.com , I have emailed them 2 times, NO RESPONSE!! how they expect to make $ off of stunters when they aint supporting us.... at least alpinestars sees and supports a few teams with gear.
I sit up late nights a lot, just surfing and emailing people, basically saying........ Have you seen "Sportbike Freestyle" Please check out www.xsba.com for the national Freestyle Sportbike Series
The reason I use the XSBA site is that, if an outsider looks and sees, CCE/ monstertruck links/FMX links/ Daytona speedway and **** like that, they are going to thinks its mainstream and that they are missing out on something
you never know where that email might get you, or the sport, enough emails like that from different addresses and Joe Schmoe CEO is gonna be like Damn, i wanna give them $50k for a points fund! (whats the national champ gonna do when he gets a check for 20k at the end of the year?)
I EXPECT EVERYONE HERE CAN DO THE SAME RIGHT? its the little things that anyone can do that are gonna take us over the top
Next subject-I changed one judging rule, and we see how it raised the bar since road america and beyond Brian I see what your saying about the Quality of execution, and i think it is important and should be discussed... but in my opinion, if execution is exaulted too high, it may discourage new tricks, riders taking risks etc. Chauncey tried the Capt America at Daytona, didnt execute perfectly, but basically it helped more than it hindered. Dan does backwards burnouts, looks shaky for a minute, then gets crazy... to me its not perfect execution but its good for the crowd to see
if you did it 50% of the time perfect and 50% you fell, would you risk trying it in a finals run where you thought it may cost you $1,000 thats why execution and difficulty are hand in hand and carry the same weight, if you try a backwards burnout, do it for 2 seconds and stop then move on, ok u didnt execute perfectly, but im gonna give you an extra point for difficulty
and who the hell can judge perfect execution? flamingo for instance... leg straight out?? leg bent upwards?? who does it how, and which way is the correct way?? there are different styles.
Skill and execution is what the europeans concentrate a lot on, but look at all of thier runs, they dont get you excited, they are slow and calculated, 1 trick per pass, no combos....who should win if they competed in the XSBA? (i dont mean Farias/Rothwell lol, just the european style in general)
personally, I want to see SKILL get you there, and GOING BUCK *** WILD BREAKING **** LIGHTING **** ON FIRE MAKING YOU #1 if you do a solid run for 2 minutes, then get ******* crazy and put the crowd on its feet for the last minute.... you deserve to win.... just my opinion
12-12-2002 | 06:48 PM
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Re: Re: Attitude???
Originally posted by sclevela
schwartz i hope this was not referring to anything i said because if it was then someone mistook my long winded "soap box" speach. Nothing i said in that reply was meant to be negative towards any body. It was all supposed to be showing how positive i viewed all of us as a family!
schwartz i hope this was not referring to anything i said because if it was then someone mistook my long winded "soap box" speach. Nothing i said in that reply was meant to be negative towards any body. It was all supposed to be showing how positive i viewed all of us as a family!
12-12-2002 | 06:59 PM
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I dont think jay meant it negatively, like a bad attitude... but more like they were chillin doin they thing "gangsta" attitude like they dont just 12, they do it with style
but i can see where it would be taken as he is talking **** about XXX
but i can see where it would be taken as he is talking **** about XXX
12-12-2002 | 07:13 PM
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Not to butt in...but this post was totally on the right track. No one was upset or talking sh&%...I agree with Thomas that Jay meant they were doing their thing with attitude! Not bad attitude...cocky and confident...which is all good if your xXx :D I can see it being interpreted differently...but I am sure Jay did not mean it that way, and I do not even know Jay personnally. My 2 pennies.
No harm...I think a little misunderstanding! Great thread! Alot of great input and a good discussion for where we are in this sport.
Thomas...you speak with passion about the XSBA! I have had many conversations over email with Ken as an outsider of the XSBA but a guy who wants to see the sport grow! I respect you and Ken for your consistant and passionate approach to the success of the XSBA!
Hope to meet you both in person this year! Good luck with all your efforts!
JAGMAN
No harm...I think a little misunderstanding! Great thread! Alot of great input and a good discussion for where we are in this sport.
Thomas...you speak with passion about the XSBA! I have had many conversations over email with Ken as an outsider of the XSBA but a guy who wants to see the sport grow! I respect you and Ken for your consistant and passionate approach to the success of the XSBA!
Hope to meet you both in person this year! Good luck with all your efforts!
JAGMAN
12-12-2002 | 11:34 PM
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