crash cage
08-08-2003, 03:52 PM
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I think what he's trying to say is that anyone can build anything they want, even if it is a copy of a patented product. Advertising a copy or trying to sell it is a completely diff. story. Building those things for your own bike, or your buddies and getting a few $$$ for it seems to be o.k. but going on the internet and advertising a copy isn't.... I'm no patent attorney but I have to deal with patent holder's rights in my business. In my opinion, it's not trying to create a monopoly,it's trying to protect an original idea that until now, noone has really developed a production type product like the FI cage. I've seen pics of both cages and even though it's not exactly the same it's still too close not to infringed on FI's patent rights. Just my $.02
08-08-2003, 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by gmantci
I think what he's trying to say is that anyone can build anything they want, even if it is a copy of a patented product. Advertising a copy or trying to sell it is a completely diff. story. Building those things for your own bike, or your buddies and getting a few $$$ for it seems to be o.k. but going on the internet and advertising a copy isn't.... I'm no patent attorney but I have to deal with patent holder's rights in my business. In my opinion, it's not trying to create a monopoly,it's trying to protect an original idea that until now, noone has really developed a production type product like the FI cage. I've seen pics of both cages and even though it's not exactly the same it's still too close not to infringed on FI's patent rights. Just my $.02
I think what he's trying to say is that anyone can build anything they want, even if it is a copy of a patented product. Advertising a copy or trying to sell it is a completely diff. story. Building those things for your own bike, or your buddies and getting a few $$$ for it seems to be o.k. but going on the internet and advertising a copy isn't.... I'm no patent attorney but I have to deal with patent holder's rights in my business. In my opinion, it's not trying to create a monopoly,it's trying to protect an original idea that until now, noone has really developed a production type product like the FI cage. I've seen pics of both cages and even though it's not exactly the same it's still too close not to infringed on FI's patent rights. Just my $.02
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08-08-2003, 04:28 PM
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yes the cage on the pic is a copy of the cage. i was referin to the 905 cages. they are completely dif. maybe tim was talkin only about the one in the pic. then he is right. he shouldnt be advertising something that is a carbon copy of his product. u are correct. but if he is sayin it is not right for people to come on here & advertise a completely dif cage he is wrong. not tryin to cause probs. just want everyone to know that there are other options if u dont like the fi cage
08-08-2003, 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by 420f4i
but if he is sayin it is not right for people to come on here & advertise a completely dif cage he is wrong
but if he is sayin it is not right for people to come on here & advertise a completely dif cage he is wrong
He's not saying that.Well I built my own cage so I'm kinda biased mine is better than anyones
J/KBut on a serious note I have seen the FI cage in person and it holds up well....remember it's meant for Stuntin...not canyon carving. Just my 1 cent I'd give 2 but I don't have any personal info on the 905 cage
08-08-2003, 07:34 PM
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To add to the whole cage battle. I'm a newbie stunter, slowly progressing because I don't just wanna throw chances out there till I wad up my bike. I have always wanted a cage but not being able to lean has always turned me away. For the FI people who say that's ok you can remove the cage and keep the sliders, what good does that do unless you have a place to stunt where the police wont bother you? I know for myself and many other riders I know we go out late night, drag some knee, then do some tricks. If I wasn't dragging knee yet by the time I'm stunting I sure as hell am when the fuzz is chasing me cause I just rode a wheelie by them. I think this greatly needs to be thaught about by FI. Not knocking your cages but it's an issue for me and I'm sure others as well. Trying to help more then anything. :D
But now I see this 905 stuff and it looks pretty cool to me. Well it's the only product with what I'm really looking for. So I'll e-mail em and see what we got.
This crash test sounds great though. I am constantly shocked when it comes to this sport and how willing big names like kyle and everyone else is to helping out.
Chris UR- Looks like you could lean with that? How's it hold? Where'd you get it?
But now I see this 905 stuff and it looks pretty cool to me. Well it's the only product with what I'm really looking for. So I'll e-mail em and see what we got.
This crash test sounds great though. I am constantly shocked when it comes to this sport and how willing big names like kyle and everyone else is to helping out.
Chris UR- Looks like you could lean with that? How's it hold? Where'd you get it?
08-08-2003, 07:55 PM
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As far as running from the cops...I used to do that...but now I'm all grown up. If I play in a public area and get caught then I'll pay the price. But I never play in the city...i always stick to abandoned parking lots and back roads that are not traveled very much. So the cops are usually cool with a scenario like that. But every once in a while one will give us a ticket for a bald tire or something like that. Well worth the price of playing all of the other times and not getting caught.
But I do see your point about being able to lean it over every once in a while. Having a cage that could to both would be nice
But I do see your point about being able to lean it over every once in a while. Having a cage that could to both would be nice
08-08-2003, 07:59 PM
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ok NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes this is a public forum............somewhat................but this is a public forum that costs hundreds of dollars a month to run.............and is also used to support and add a larger customer base to a business run and owned by the owner of this forum! therefore to help support the costs of this board (and keep it up and running to help support our community) shuggs has turned to selling advertisement to related companies to help cover the costs of the board..................so yes if u are coming on here and trying to hawk a product that competes with a company that pays to have their product advertised then yes u are stealing from stuntlife, f.i., and all of the people on this board who have contributed.........look at it this way......f.i. pays to advertise here joe blow crash cage does not...............joe blow crash cage comes here and spouts off about there cage (im not implying any one company did or did not do this im just using it as an example) and is allowed to do so........wel why should freestyle ingenuity pay to have the same service? Why wouldnt tim barnes pull his advertising check and just do the same? Life is more about business than im afraid alot of u either have been educated on or want to admit........if i walk into a deli and order a sandwich and so do u but i get mine for free while u pay 10 dollars..what would u do how would u react and how would that shape yer decision to continue paying for that service at that esablishment again? as far as the topic of copyright and monopoly ....... in our country we have a right to sell a competing good or service it the law in a free market economy....but there is a difference between protecting someones ideas and "ingenuity" (pun intended) and someone coming up with a competing product........i dont know alot about copyright/patent laws that isnt my expertise but i do know that if someone patents an idea or product u have to be very careful when designing a competing product to show that it is either different enough or has x-numbers of improvements over the original design in order to be able to get yer own patent on it............basically its like this.............freestyle ingenuity came in and was smart enough to have the foresight to patent an idea..............if u wanna compete with that product and do so in a legal and ethical manner the the only way to be sure is to take yer product (if u are serious about it) and apply for yer own patent if the product is an allowable competitor under US law then they will issue u a patent if it isnt they wont and u shouldnt be selling it or u should at least be prepared to be slapped with a law suit (and yer prolly not all that ethical)
yes this is a public forum............somewhat................but this is a public forum that costs hundreds of dollars a month to run.............and is also used to support and add a larger customer base to a business run and owned by the owner of this forum! therefore to help support the costs of this board (and keep it up and running to help support our community) shuggs has turned to selling advertisement to related companies to help cover the costs of the board..................so yes if u are coming on here and trying to hawk a product that competes with a company that pays to have their product advertised then yes u are stealing from stuntlife, f.i., and all of the people on this board who have contributed.........look at it this way......f.i. pays to advertise here joe blow crash cage does not...............joe blow crash cage comes here and spouts off about there cage (im not implying any one company did or did not do this im just using it as an example) and is allowed to do so........wel why should freestyle ingenuity pay to have the same service? Why wouldnt tim barnes pull his advertising check and just do the same? Life is more about business than im afraid alot of u either have been educated on or want to admit........if i walk into a deli and order a sandwich and so do u but i get mine for free while u pay 10 dollars..what would u do how would u react and how would that shape yer decision to continue paying for that service at that esablishment again? as far as the topic of copyright and monopoly ....... in our country we have a right to sell a competing good or service it the law in a free market economy....but there is a difference between protecting someones ideas and "ingenuity" (pun intended) and someone coming up with a competing product........i dont know alot about copyright/patent laws that isnt my expertise but i do know that if someone patents an idea or product u have to be very careful when designing a competing product to show that it is either different enough or has x-numbers of improvements over the original design in order to be able to get yer own patent on it............basically its like this.............freestyle ingenuity came in and was smart enough to have the foresight to patent an idea..............if u wanna compete with that product and do so in a legal and ethical manner the the only way to be sure is to take yer product (if u are serious about it) and apply for yer own patent if the product is an allowable competitor under US law then they will issue u a patent if it isnt they wont and u shouldnt be selling it or u should at least be prepared to be slapped with a law suit (and yer prolly not all that ethical)
08-08-2003, 08:24 PM
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So the cops are usually cool with a scenario like that
On the can 905 come on here and advertise on a thread. Of course they can. Competition will help this sport as far as prices and ingenuity goes. FI pays for all the banners I see and catch my attention. I would have gotten an FI cage the first time I saw a FI banner if it wasn't for the fact I can't lean the bike. Can they make a product that FI has patented? I doubt it but FI should take the lagal actions if they have right to do so.
08-08-2003, 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by red96camaro
On the can 905 come on here and advertise on a thread. Of course they can.
On the can 905 come on here and advertise on a thread. Of course they can.
um i believe that is something that u honestly dont have a say in ......... im not tryin to sound like a dick here but there are certain rules that were set forth on this site by the owner of the site........he made these rules to be fair to those on here that do pay for those banners and what not....is it ok if tim barnes comes up to u and says " hey u bought a cage from me...............im gonna put my sticker on yer bike and im doin it cuz of course i can!" whether or not u choose to allow him to do it is different than whether or not he has the right to do it.........shuggs has actually been very lax as to what he allows as far as bending the rules for the good of the stunt community (hell redline just made a post about sellin thier video on another message board and they went up one side and down the other all over jimmy about stealing)..........i dunno im sure that u didnt mean it to sound the way it did but it was the kinda matter of fact way u stated that that kinda bothered me ...........like i said im sure it wasnt meant the way i took it!
08-08-2003, 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by sclevela
Shuggs has actually been very lax as to what he allows as far as bending the rules for the good of the stunt community (hell redline just made a post about sellin thier video on another message board and they went up one side and down the other all over jimmy about stealing
Shuggs has actually been very lax as to what he allows as far as bending the rules for the good of the stunt community (hell redline just made a post about sellin thier video on another message board and they went up one side and down the other all over jimmy about stealing
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08-08-2003, 09:30 PM
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Sclevela has a point.
Damn Sclevela for a dumb f*ck you're pretty smart
Damn Sclevela for a dumb f*ck you're pretty smart
08-08-2003, 10:34 PM
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I'm not saying screw StuntLife. I support stuntlife all I can by lately purchasing all my bike needs from stuntlife along with some shirts and stickers just to support the site(I've got stickers plastered all over everything I own, lol). But the way I look at it is why push a product away from the eyes of your website members because you are afraid you'll loose a advertiser? This is exactly how so many bike and car mags get jacked up. Their reviews are biased towards the companies that pay for advertising. If we wanna jack up StuntLife the same way and have people talking about how Katanas are the best stuntbikes made and you shouldn't buy anything else just because we have a zuki banner somewhere then this place will go down hill fast.
I do see your point. Support StuntLife, we all LOVE this site but damn if you take it to an extreme like this many of us wont learn about new products that come out. I wouldn't have known about 905s product if it wasn't for this thread. I may not purchase a 905 product. I don't know yet, but it could help my stunting needs and that is what stuntlife is here for in my opinion anyway.
It's my opinion. Take it how you want. I know poeple who will now buy 905s product aren't neccessarily supporting stuntlife because their competitor pays a fee to advertise here but some stunters here have use for 905s product and who will tell them if it wasn't mentioned in this thread? It's not like 905 hacked into the board and now has their banner where FIs is and isn't paying anything. I have been a pat of other message boards and honestly haven't once seen a stink made about someone talking about a product that may compete with an advertisers. Boards generally have a bias to their adevertisers but banning talk of another product I have never heard of.
The only sensable issue I do see here is the whole patent thing. But I'm far from knowledgable on that so I can't really comment.
Either way, in the end I hope you don't think I'm bashing you or stuntlife, I do love this site and like I have stated support it when I can but I don't want this to turn into KatanaLife if Zuki throws Shugga some $$$. Even though if it was enough I wouldn't blame him.
Trust me if it wasn't for my kneedragging I would buy a FI cage just because I know they are a sponsor here but the thing is some people such as myself have other needs for their bikes besides stunting and can't use the product.
P.S.- In the end Shugga makes the rules and if comming into a thread and mentioning a product is breaking them then he has the right to enforce it. IMO I just don't see how that is a good thing.
I do see your point. Support StuntLife, we all LOVE this site but damn if you take it to an extreme like this many of us wont learn about new products that come out. I wouldn't have known about 905s product if it wasn't for this thread. I may not purchase a 905 product. I don't know yet, but it could help my stunting needs and that is what stuntlife is here for in my opinion anyway.
It's my opinion. Take it how you want. I know poeple who will now buy 905s product aren't neccessarily supporting stuntlife because their competitor pays a fee to advertise here but some stunters here have use for 905s product and who will tell them if it wasn't mentioned in this thread? It's not like 905 hacked into the board and now has their banner where FIs is and isn't paying anything. I have been a pat of other message boards and honestly haven't once seen a stink made about someone talking about a product that may compete with an advertisers. Boards generally have a bias to their adevertisers but banning talk of another product I have never heard of.
The only sensable issue I do see here is the whole patent thing. But I'm far from knowledgable on that so I can't really comment.
Either way, in the end I hope you don't think I'm bashing you or stuntlife, I do love this site and like I have stated support it when I can but I don't want this to turn into KatanaLife if Zuki throws Shugga some $$$. Even though if it was enough I wouldn't blame him.
Trust me if it wasn't for my kneedragging I would buy a FI cage just because I know they are a sponsor here but the thing is some people such as myself have other needs for their bikes besides stunting and can't use the product.P.S.- In the end Shugga makes the rules and if comming into a thread and mentioning a product is breaking them then he has the right to enforce it. IMO I just don't see how that is a good thing.
08-08-2003, 10:54 PM
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Ive got starboyz frame sliders
08-08-2003, 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by red96camaro
I have been a pat of other message boards and honestly haven't once seen a stink made about someone talking about a product that may compete with an advertisers. Boards generally have a bias to their adevertisers but banning talk of another product I have never heard of.
I have been a pat of other message boards and honestly haven't once seen a stink made about someone talking about a product that may compete with an advertisers. Boards generally have a bias to their adevertisers but banning talk of another product I have never heard of.
You make alot of good points though!
08-08-2003, 11:01 PM
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Thomas, that's it, you're banned if you say anything good about them! lol j/k 
08-08-2003, 11:05 PM
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Test it out with Gixxer.com for just two days...I could bad mouth them for days, but it is not worth my time.
You make alot of good points though!
You make alot of good points though!
08-08-2003, 11:09 PM
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yo, they are orange!!!
08-08-2003, 11:14 PM
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here ya go
08-09-2003, 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by red96camaro
I'm not saying screw StuntLife. I support stuntlife all I can by lately purchasing all my bike needs from stuntlife along with some shirts and stickers just to support the site(I've got stickers plastered all over everything I own, lol). But the way I look at it is why push a product away from the eyes of your website members because you are afraid you'll loose a advertiser? This is exactly how so many bike and car mags get jacked up. Their reviews are biased towards the companies that pay for advertising. If we wanna jack up StuntLife the same way and have people talking about how Katanas are the best stuntbikes made and you shouldn't buy anything else just because we have a zuki banner somewhere then this place will go down hill fast.
I do see your point. Support StuntLife, we all LOVE this site but damn if you take it to an extreme like this many of us wont learn about new products that come out. I wouldn't have known about 905s product if it wasn't for this thread. I may not purchase a 905 product. I don't know yet, but it could help my stunting needs and that is what stuntlife is here for in my opinion anyway.
It's my opinion. Take it how you want. I know poeple who will now buy 905s product aren't neccessarily supporting stuntlife because their competitor pays a fee to advertise here but some stunters here have use for 905s product and who will tell them if it wasn't mentioned in this thread? It's not like 905 hacked into the board and now has their banner where FIs is and isn't paying anything. I have been a pat of other message boards and honestly haven't once seen a stink made about someone talking about a product that may compete with an advertisers. Boards generally have a bias to their adevertisers but banning talk of another product I have never heard of.
The only sensable issue I do see here is the whole patent thing. But I'm far from knowledgable on that so I can't really comment.
Either way, in the end I hope you don't think I'm bashing you or stuntlife, I do love this site and like I have stated support it when I can but I don't want this to turn into KatanaLife if Zuki throws Shugga some $$$. Even though if it was enough I wouldn't blame him. Trust me if it wasn't for my kneedragging I would buy a FI cage just because I know they are a sponsor here but the thing is some people such as myself have other needs for their bikes besides stunting and can't use the product.
P.S.- In the end Shugga makes the rules and if comming into a thread and mentioning a product is breaking them then he has the right to enforce it. IMO I just don't see how that is a good thing.
I'm not saying screw StuntLife. I support stuntlife all I can by lately purchasing all my bike needs from stuntlife along with some shirts and stickers just to support the site(I've got stickers plastered all over everything I own, lol). But the way I look at it is why push a product away from the eyes of your website members because you are afraid you'll loose a advertiser? This is exactly how so many bike and car mags get jacked up. Their reviews are biased towards the companies that pay for advertising. If we wanna jack up StuntLife the same way and have people talking about how Katanas are the best stuntbikes made and you shouldn't buy anything else just because we have a zuki banner somewhere then this place will go down hill fast.
I do see your point. Support StuntLife, we all LOVE this site but damn if you take it to an extreme like this many of us wont learn about new products that come out. I wouldn't have known about 905s product if it wasn't for this thread. I may not purchase a 905 product. I don't know yet, but it could help my stunting needs and that is what stuntlife is here for in my opinion anyway.
It's my opinion. Take it how you want. I know poeple who will now buy 905s product aren't neccessarily supporting stuntlife because their competitor pays a fee to advertise here but some stunters here have use for 905s product and who will tell them if it wasn't mentioned in this thread? It's not like 905 hacked into the board and now has their banner where FIs is and isn't paying anything. I have been a pat of other message boards and honestly haven't once seen a stink made about someone talking about a product that may compete with an advertisers. Boards generally have a bias to their adevertisers but banning talk of another product I have never heard of.
The only sensable issue I do see here is the whole patent thing. But I'm far from knowledgable on that so I can't really comment.
Either way, in the end I hope you don't think I'm bashing you or stuntlife, I do love this site and like I have stated support it when I can but I don't want this to turn into KatanaLife if Zuki throws Shugga some $$$. Even though if it was enough I wouldn't blame him.
Trust me if it wasn't for my kneedragging I would buy a FI cage just because I know they are a sponsor here but the thing is some people such as myself have other needs for their bikes besides stunting and can't use the product.P.S.- In the end Shugga makes the rules and if comming into a thread and mentioning a product is breaking them then he has the right to enforce it. IMO I just don't see how that is a good thing.
i also agree u do make some very good points that change the way i look at some stuff........my only issue (besides thomas bein an ***!) is that greg (shuggs) has worked very hard to make this place home for this community.........basically i wanna keep it that way......we can only keep it that way with 1 of 2 solutions.......1) membership fee......every member pays a fee to be a part of stuntlife (yeah that will work out real well right..............lol........look at the number of contributing members as comapred to the number of non-contributing members......not that im pointing fingers or sayin anyones a bad person just stating fact) 2) continue on selling advertising space/time here ........... basically its like this............if joe blow stunt apparrel comes on here and says hey buy my pants and thats all he has to contribute and we dont allow joe blow to do that without paying for advertising it keeps those who pay for advertising happy which in turn keeps money coming in for the site to stay up which in turn keeps all of us happy as a community! maybe if we yell a lil bit about it on a thread about hiks product someone from joe blow apparell will call greg and say hey i wanna buy some add time from yah!
