Just tryin to get the name out there
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10-28-2009, 11:13 PM
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10-29-2009, 08:10 AM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
Hmmmmm. Very strange that there is so many similarities to SickInnovations parts.. That and theres a sick cage on the 05-06 636 in a few pics. Offers solid and foldable on subcage.... Looks like the f4i cage is a mix of a sick and 905 cage with slight tweaks to try to hide it........ Upper tripple clamp looks a bit like one ive seen before.... Not a good move bro. 
10-29-2009, 10:27 AM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
Hmmmmm. Very strange that there is so many similarities to SickInnovations parts.. That and theres a sick cage on the 05-06 636 in a few pics. Offers solid and foldable on subcage.... Looks like the f4i cage is a mix of a sick and 905 cage with slight tweaks to try to hide it........ Upper tripple clamp looks a bit like one ive seen before.... Not a good move bro.
although there may be similarities SI parts there are also just as many differences example: all the tubing i use 1.125" dia. .125 wall DOM, all of my parts are waterjet cut in house not jobbed out to a laser shop i also do all of the machining myself i cant help it some parts resemble others 
ill admit i got ideas from alot of your parts with guys coming to me with bent or broken stuff needing it fixed or replaced, but i think this industry is big enough for all of us to put some stuff out there if anything just to give everyone more options
10-29-2009, 12:29 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
although there may be similarities SI parts there are also just as many differences example: all the tubing i use 1.125" dia. .125 wall DOM, all of my parts are waterjet cut in house not jobbed out to a laser shop i also do all of the machining myself i cant help it some parts resemble others ill admit i got ideas from alot of your parts with guys coming to me with bent or broken stuff needing it fixed or replaced, but i think this industry is big enough for all of us to put some stuff out there if anything just to give everyone more options
10-29-2009, 12:33 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
Did Henry Ford design the first Automobile? No, he designed a way to make it easier and more affordable. It's unfortunate that there are only so many ways to make a cage/stay and not have to copy others.
Companies are not judged by there product alone, they are also judged on price, availability and service.
The future for RK is still up in the air.
Companies are not judged by there product alone, they are also judged on price, availability and service.
The future for RK is still up in the air.
10-29-2009, 12:41 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
Did Henry Ford design the first Automobile? No, he designed a way to make it easier and more affordable. It's unfortunate that there are only so many ways to make a cage/stay and not have to copy others.
Companies are not judged by there product alone, they are also judged on price, availability and service.
The future for RK is still up in the air.
Companies are not judged by there product alone, they are also judged on price, availability and service.
The future for RK is still up in the air.
10-29-2009, 12:55 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
I dont mind the competition what so ever. Thats a part of business. But when people use our parts that we put the R&D into that tends to torque me the wrong way. 
Be original and figure the **** out on your own. Many other people contacted me to tell me their thoughts on your parts and the similarities... I will just leave it at that. Good luck in your business venture.
Be original and figure the **** out on your own. Many other people contacted me to tell me their thoughts on your parts and the similarities... I will just leave it at that. Good luck in your business venture.
10-29-2009, 12:56 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
which is why they are making a version of converti bars for cheaper....I dont use them but some people do and dont want to spend 300 plus dollars for bars among other parts....The more companys the better. you can only make so many of the same parts that focus around the same designs....cant make a square shaped cage or a hexagon 12 bar....they just wont line up
10-29-2009, 02:44 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
I dont mind the competition what so ever. Thats a part of business. But when people use our parts that we put the R&D into that tends to torque me the wrong way. Be original and figure the **** out on your own. Many other people contacted me to tell me their thoughts on your parts and the similarities... I will just leave it at that. Good luck in your business venture.
Be original and figure the **** out on your own. Many other people contacted me to tell me their thoughts on your parts and the similarities... I will just leave it at that. Good luck in your business venture. My answer was to re-mod them back to the stock configuration so our hard work was kept with our team.
The unfortunate part your situation is that you are selling parts to the public. Once they hit the market (patented products aside) people are free to copy and build as they see fit.
Like I stated before, there is more to a company besides products. From the short time I have been back on this forum it seems that you have a good relationship with a lot of people on this forum and take time to listen and develop your products to meet their needs. This, coupled with good pricing and standing behind your product will make you prevail.
I think is was just 3 weeks ago we were looking at your 636 stunt stay in mock up and people were accusing you of copying JohnnyP.
10-29-2009, 02:57 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
my thought on the agument... Is **** it! its for a sport that we all do! cheaper parts that are made good = WIN!
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10-29-2009, 03:05 PM
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10-29-2009, 03:10 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
price on 03/04 636:
d-c bracket
rearset brackets
the stuff looks pretty good. imo, sure it may be a sad fact if it resembles the sick product moreso then a compliment to the design. however, as said. there are a lot of ways to make a cage... but not all are good ones. if a products offered that dont stand it dont stand but the attemot was made and if his parts do stand up then he's just got his r&d done and proved a point.
d-c bracket
rearset brackets
the stuff looks pretty good. imo, sure it may be a sad fact if it resembles the sick product moreso then a compliment to the design. however, as said. there are a lot of ways to make a cage... but not all are good ones. if a products offered that dont stand it dont stand but the attemot was made and if his parts do stand up then he's just got his r&d done and proved a point.
10-29-2009, 03:21 PM
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Re: Just tryin to get the name out there
Im totally against some one stealing a design that is just plain fucked up and I would be pretty salty i agree with Ian on that one but there is a picture on his page with a sick cage on the bike....for real come on if it was your company and you seen your product on his bike then he had a subcage that looked the same. you would be pissed but its not my problem i talked to ryan seems like an alright guy i might even buy a subframe from him as soon as some one who stunts hard gets one and i can get a review....im just not down to take a chance on a new company really but he is a good dude thats for sure....
All this said cheaper parts are great but you get what you pay for I LOVE MY A-TOWN customs parts and live by them....Good luck on your venture RK ARMOR.
All this said cheaper parts are great but you get what you pay for I LOVE MY A-TOWN customs parts and live by them....Good luck on your venture RK ARMOR.
