Liter bikes, need your opinion please
07-31-2009, 04:01 PM
#21
F*(K Yut Uggh
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Streets of Sacramento California
Posts: 1,421
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
I meant more on power. I had a stock 929 and had a difficult time clutching 2nd 3rd etc. zx10r will roll on in 2nd (stock everything) and clutch very easy (even sitdown) in 2nd 3rd. But stunt willingness I guess isnt info he wants. Im surprised there both close to the same wieghtd dry. zx10r is 374 lbs. The 929 (383.) sure doesnt feel that light. LOL.
Last edited by 287ridah; 07-31-2009 at 04:10 PM.
07-31-2009, 04:04 PM
#22
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: syracuse, ny,
Posts: 1,757
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
[quote=TEACH C6;4062982]good posts guys, keep em coming...
so basically, if you aren't brand loyal, and if the price point is basically the same, it comes down to looks with some performance?
to me it comes down to just performance. looks are an afterthought.
an add on question: what mods would you do to the bike straight off the showroom floor?
adjust the suspension proper, change tires, stainless lines, remove rear fender, ebc hh pads, double bubble windscreen, grips...etc
so basically, if you aren't brand loyal, and if the price point is basically the same, it comes down to looks with some performance?
to me it comes down to just performance. looks are an afterthought.
an add on question: what mods would you do to the bike straight off the showroom floor?
adjust the suspension proper, change tires, stainless lines, remove rear fender, ebc hh pads, double bubble windscreen, grips...etc
07-31-2009, 04:04 PM
#23
shady since the 80's
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: nug life
Age: 47
Posts: 555
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
as for aftermarket bits when leaving the showroom... prolly your regular fare as with any sportbike; slip on/full system and FE kit.
07-31-2009, 04:07 PM
#24
I Chose to No Longer Post
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 44
Posts: 37,827
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
The new R1 is nasty ...
If all the bikes were the same price I would take the bimmer, if that is 193 HP at the wheel from the factory that is just nasty ... the thing looks sick, and not having the same gixxer with chrome rims like 500 other people at bike night is a plus ...
Teach - One thing I have noticed since the wife works at the dealership is a lot of people have been going for bikes that offer a 5 year factory warranty ... especially with a bike that some might consider tougher to work on because it is something out of the ordinary ...
Also it seems like the first thing people do to bikes is exhaust or exhaust/power commander combo ...
If all the bikes were the same price I would take the bimmer, if that is 193 HP at the wheel from the factory that is just nasty ... the thing looks sick, and not having the same gixxer with chrome rims like 500 other people at bike night is a plus ...
Teach - One thing I have noticed since the wife works at the dealership is a lot of people have been going for bikes that offer a 5 year factory warranty ... especially with a bike that some might consider tougher to work on because it is something out of the ordinary ...
Also it seems like the first thing people do to bikes is exhaust or exhaust/power commander combo ...
07-31-2009, 04:09 PM
#25
Precison Performance Co.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Youngstown, OH
Posts: 880
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
straight off the showroom, it would definatly be and exhaust, air filter and dial that babe in with a Power commander right away, then i would check to see what kind of rubber im on, and make sure its dunlop sportmax qualifiers or pirelli diablos, flush mounts, fender eliminator,
I feel that the only way you should be rewarded from a dealership is if you you put forth a sufficient ammount of money down or paid it in full to get free prducts like helmets gloves and jacket discounts or complementary items.... you shouldn't be able to go in with no money down get a bike and demand free ****,...no way.
and for newbs, i think schools and track days should be mandatory if not enforced more by the states, too many fatalities from new *** riders buying hyabusas and 1000s and then killing themselves in the next week because they couldnt properly brake for a turn at 140 MPH
I feel that the only way you should be rewarded from a dealership is if you you put forth a sufficient ammount of money down or paid it in full to get free prducts like helmets gloves and jacket discounts or complementary items.... you shouldn't be able to go in with no money down get a bike and demand free ****,...no way.
and for newbs, i think schools and track days should be mandatory if not enforced more by the states, too many fatalities from new *** riders buying hyabusas and 1000s and then killing themselves in the next week because they couldnt properly brake for a turn at 140 MPH
Last edited by Yamaha412; 07-31-2009 at 04:11 PM.
07-31-2009, 04:12 PM
#26
shady since the 80's
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: nug life
Age: 47
Posts: 555
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
and for newbs, i think schools and track days should be mandatory if not enforced more by the states, too many fatalities from new *** riders buying hyabusas and 1000s and then killing themselves in the next week because they couldnt properly brake for a turn at 140 MPH
gotta give other countries credit for tiered licensing.
07-31-2009, 04:12 PM
#27
Never 2 old 2 die!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: blacktop,mt shasta,lake shasta
Age: 58
Posts: 1,199
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
straight off the showroom, it would definatly be and exhaust, air filter and dial that babe in with a Power commander right away, then i would check to see what kind of rubber im on, and make sure its dunlop sportmax qualifiers or pirelli diablos, flush mounts, fender eliminator,
I feel that the only way you should be rewarded from a dealership is if you you put forth a sufficient ammount of money down or paid it in full to get free prducts like helmets gloves and jacket discounts or complementary items.... you should be able to go in with no money down get a bike and demand free ****,...no way.
and for newbs, i think schools and track days should be mandatory if not enforced more by the states, too many fatalities from new *** riders buying hyabusas and 1000s and then killing themselves in the next week because they couldnt properly brake for a turn at 140 MPH
I feel that the only way you should be rewarded from a dealership is if you you put forth a sufficient ammount of money down or paid it in full to get free prducts like helmets gloves and jacket discounts or complementary items.... you should be able to go in with no money down get a bike and demand free ****,...no way.
and for newbs, i think schools and track days should be mandatory if not enforced more by the states, too many fatalities from new *** riders buying hyabusas and 1000s and then killing themselves in the next week because they couldnt properly brake for a turn at 140 MPH
07-31-2009, 04:17 PM
#28
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Stuntshine State
Age: 43
Posts: 422
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
choice 1. kaw zx10 why? being that ive rode the all the top 4 liter bikes id prefer the zx10 over all. retail pricing is the cheapest out of all four. the handling on the bike is insane almost like throwing a 600 around. the low end torque is a beast not to mention it doesnt lack on the top end either. suspension is great.
choice 2. yamaha just because of the outrageous power is dispaces...end of story
choice 3. suzuki because the handling is a little stiff and lacks low end compared to the zx. top end is great especially on the track.
choice 4. but not that its bad...its just honda 1 good thing i can say is that it will always run.....
i work at a dealership for kaw, yam, and suz so i get to hear a lot of feedback from customers who owns them which also influenced my opinions.
choice 2. yamaha just because of the outrageous power is dispaces...end of story
choice 3. suzuki because the handling is a little stiff and lacks low end compared to the zx. top end is great especially on the track.
choice 4. but not that its bad...its just honda 1 good thing i can say is that it will always run.....
i work at a dealership for kaw, yam, and suz so i get to hear a lot of feedback from customers who owns them which also influenced my opinions.
Yamaha for its outrageous power, what crack are you smoking. Thats why it the slowest liter bike. Has less HP than last years model and the R1 has always had the least amount of power of the other 3 brands, not to mention how heavy that pig is this year weighting 478lb wet.
Last edited by scandelous81; 07-31-2009 at 04:20 PM.
07-31-2009, 04:17 PM
#30
I Have Too Much Free Time
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Bangor, ME
Age: 45
Posts: 16,003
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
The new R1 is nasty ...
If all the bikes were the same price I would take the bimmer, if that is 193 HP at the wheel from the factory that is just nasty ... the thing looks sick, and not having the same gixxer with chrome rims like 500 other people at bike night is a plus ...
Teach - One thing I have noticed since the wife works at the dealership is a lot of people have been going for bikes that offer a 5 year factory warranty ... especially with a bike that some might consider tougher to work on because it is something out of the ordinary ...
Also it seems like the first thing people do to bikes is exhaust or exhaust/power commander combo ...
If all the bikes were the same price I would take the bimmer, if that is 193 HP at the wheel from the factory that is just nasty ... the thing looks sick, and not having the same gixxer with chrome rims like 500 other people at bike night is a plus ...
Teach - One thing I have noticed since the wife works at the dealership is a lot of people have been going for bikes that offer a 5 year factory warranty ... especially with a bike that some might consider tougher to work on because it is something out of the ordinary ...
Also it seems like the first thing people do to bikes is exhaust or exhaust/power commander combo ...
07-31-2009, 04:20 PM
#32
Gas'er!!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: from the East to the West
Age: 46
Posts: 6,272
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
i like the opinions...most are in line with my own but it's good to get feedback. keep 'em coming. i'm going to compile the info in this thread and send it to BMW as part of the task force work I'm doing.
did i mention: 3 year 36,000 mile warranty on EVERY BMW?!!!
did i mention: 3 year 36,000 mile warranty on EVERY BMW?!!!
07-31-2009, 04:22 PM
#33
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: syracuse, ny,
Posts: 1,757
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
instead, the dealers should just use common sense when selling someone a bike. a dealer has the experience to be able to judge the capabilities of a rider just by talking to him and watching him sit on the bike.
dealers just need to be more responsible.
07-31-2009, 04:26 PM
#34
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: North Andover, MA
Age: 47
Posts: 23,846
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
i disagree 100%.
instead, the dealers should just use common sense when selling someone a bike. a dealer has the experience to be able to judge the capabilities of a rider just by talking to him and watching him sit on the bike.
dealers just need to be more responsible.
instead, the dealers should just use common sense when selling someone a bike. a dealer has the experience to be able to judge the capabilities of a rider just by talking to him and watching him sit on the bike.
dealers just need to be more responsible.
07-31-2009, 04:26 PM
#35
I Have Too Much Free Time
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Bangor, ME
Age: 45
Posts: 16,003
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
i disagree 100%.
instead, the dealers should just use common sense when selling someone a bike. a dealer has the experience to be able to judge the capabilities of a rider just by talking to him and watching him sit on the bike.
dealers just need to be more responsible.
instead, the dealers should just use common sense when selling someone a bike. a dealer has the experience to be able to judge the capabilities of a rider just by talking to him and watching him sit on the bike.
dealers just need to be more responsible.
07-31-2009, 04:27 PM
#36
Precison Performance Co.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Youngstown, OH
Posts: 880
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
Yamaha for its outrageous power, what crack are you smoking. Thats why it the slowest liter bike. Has less HP than last years model and the R1 has always had the least amount of power of the other 3 brands, not to mention how heavy that pig is this year weighting 478lb wet.
07-31-2009, 04:29 PM
#37
Gas'er!!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: from the East to the West
Age: 46
Posts: 6,272
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
its seems to being doing just fine in world superbike.... and its not always about the specs,...look at this years ZX6... OMG 110 HP the firststock 600 with that power and i think its seen the podium once or twice, now granted they dont have the best of riders on them rite now but its just the fact that that specs arent everything.
what would YOU need for YOU to make the BMW your first choice? hmmmm
07-31-2009, 04:29 PM
#38
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: syracuse, ny,
Posts: 1,757
07-31-2009, 04:35 PM
#39
I Have Too Much Free Time
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Bangor, ME
Age: 45
Posts: 16,003
07-31-2009, 04:37 PM
#40
J Blox
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Mobile, Abalama
Age: 39
Posts: 5,641
Re: Liter bikes, need your opinion please
I believe alot of the selling point for non stunters but serious street riders/racers would be the stabilizer as well. I liked what JohnnyP said about Kawi canada offering options straight from the dealer exhaust/wheels etc. 90% of people are going to throw and exhaust(at least slip on) as the first mod. I've always been sliders, dampner, exhaust, braided lines etc etc. I'm sure your probably asking to help them get aftermarket parts developped and ready for the release of the bike to the public. With those kind of #'s i dont see many people throwing down for a power commander or sprockets very quickly
