Circle frustration
#21
Re: Circle frustration
running higher idle means more brake use which pulls you out in circles.
also keep it as tall as you can when you start them and gas it a sec before ya think you need to,lol
everytime i tried them i would get half way around then one day i went at it and started gassing early and it kept it tall and carried it around for me.
the it just clicks comment is sooooo true.
just keep doing them and stay flexible and move with the bike,you'll figure them out
also keep it as tall as you can when you start them and gas it a sec before ya think you need to,lol
everytime i tried them i would get half way around then one day i went at it and started gassing early and it kept it tall and carried it around for me.
the it just clicks comment is sooooo true.
just keep doing them and stay flexible and move with the bike,you'll figure them out
And P.S. I rock 60 tooth and my idle is at 3500... I like it, has just enough pull to keep the circle going without gas if you want, and you don't have to really ride the brake....
-Jesse
#22
Re: Circle frustration
the homo with the camera doesnt have a cord to post video..... we're working on this problem... hope to have a camera out there soon that is worth a ****![/quote]
Eat a dick i dont see your camera out int the lot so dont hate
Eat a dick i dont see your camera out int the lot so dont hate
#23
#24
Re: Circle frustration
but personally, I LEARNED hand brake with the clutch.. I NEVER just covered my hand brake, tried it a COUPLE times, but felt retarded and felt like I should learn to cover both..
I learned staggards first, so it was easy to cover the clutch (although still took me a while to quit stalling circles out and grab the clutch)
I don't ever personally slip my clutch in circles, just when I'm about to either highside, or stall out, I grab the clutch to keep the bike running and set my front down without wrecking
#25
Re: Circle frustration
You only need the clutch if you slow things down so much with the brake that you have to slip to come out of a stall or to keep from getting in one.
Man try your best to stay off the brake almost completely and things will fall into place. There is a sweet spot where you don't really need the brake
#27
Re: Circle frustration
also, IMO, don't worry about circling AROUND something just yet
I still have problems dipping into my circle whenever I want, I'm better off going in a straight line on good pavement, and dipping in whenever I'm at the perfect speed and on the brake smooth.
I still need a lot of work though, if I don't ride DAILY, I'll get to where I average 2-5 circles... But when I ride daily, I can easily regularly bust out 10+
I still have problems dipping into my circle whenever I want, I'm better off going in a straight line on good pavement, and dipping in whenever I'm at the perfect speed and on the brake smooth.
I still need a lot of work though, if I don't ride DAILY, I'll get to where I average 2-5 circles... But when I ride daily, I can easily regularly bust out 10+
#28
Re: Circle frustration
you don't have to as long as you are SUPER smooth
but personally, I LEARNED hand brake with the clutch.. I NEVER just covered my hand brake, tried it a COUPLE times, but felt retarded and felt like I should learn to cover both..
I learned staggards first, so it was easy to cover the clutch (although still took me a while to quit stalling circles out and grab the clutch)
I don't ever personally slip my clutch in circles, just when I'm about to either highside, or stall out, I grab the clutch to keep the bike running and set my front down without wrecking
but personally, I LEARNED hand brake with the clutch.. I NEVER just covered my hand brake, tried it a COUPLE times, but felt retarded and felt like I should learn to cover both..
I learned staggards first, so it was easy to cover the clutch (although still took me a while to quit stalling circles out and grab the clutch)
I don't ever personally slip my clutch in circles, just when I'm about to either highside, or stall out, I grab the clutch to keep the bike running and set my front down without wrecking
#29
Re: Circle frustration
The lot we ride in is sloped the bike drops down hill real nice but when you get half way around the bike wants to straiten out and high side. YSR turns his bike in on a dime and whips it in a tight O and i try to go for the bigger wider Os . which way should we be learning first??
If you haven't circled anything, or at least anything bigger then a 50, then its HARD to commit to a tight circle IMO..
Then agian, for me personally, doing a wide O is WAY harder, since I learned them in 1 parking space width on my 150 and f4i..
I can't control 2 parking space wide O's, and I have a hard time at doing 40 foot wide O's lol... But I can turn like 4 foot wide O's no problem
btw heres a video of my good circles, this is how I learned, and this is how I'm most consistent still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axshX...e=channel_page
I personally ride idle for most of my circle, only bliping the throttle when I accidentally use too much brake and drop the front end..
But I DEFINITELY struggle when my idle is too high, when its around 3.6k+ I am way more choppy, 3.2k is good for me... Anything around 2.5-3k I feel like I'm using more throttle and chopping the throttle more...
Last edited by Towlieee; 05-24-2009 at 11:53 PM.
#30
Re: Circle frustration
Don;t HAVE to work the clutch as long as you have enough speed.
You only need the clutch if you slow things down so much with the brake that you have to slip to come out of a stall or to keep from getting in one.
Man try your best to stay off the brake almost completely and things will fall into place. There is a sweet spot where you don't really need the brake
You only need the clutch if you slow things down so much with the brake that you have to slip to come out of a stall or to keep from getting in one.
Man try your best to stay off the brake almost completely and things will fall into place. There is a sweet spot where you don't really need the brake
#31
Re: Circle frustration
it's hard to say, everyone learns different
If you haven't circled anything, or at least anything bigger then a 50, then its HARD to commit to a tight circle IMO..
Then agian, for me personally, doing a wide O is WAY harder, since I learned them in 1 parking space width on my 150 and f4i..
I can't control 2 parking space wide O's, and I have a hard time at doing 40 foot wide O's lol... But I can turn like 4 foot wide O's no problem
btw heres a video of my good circles, this is how I learned, and this is how I'm most consistent still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axshX...e=channel_page
I personally ride idle for most of my circle, only bliping the throttle when I accidentally use too much brake and drop the front end..
But I DEFINITELY struggle when my idle is too high, when its around 3.6k+ I am way more choppy, 3.2k is good for me... Anything around 2.5-3k I feel like I'm using more throttle and chopping the throttle more...
If you haven't circled anything, or at least anything bigger then a 50, then its HARD to commit to a tight circle IMO..
Then agian, for me personally, doing a wide O is WAY harder, since I learned them in 1 parking space width on my 150 and f4i..
I can't control 2 parking space wide O's, and I have a hard time at doing 40 foot wide O's lol... But I can turn like 4 foot wide O's no problem
btw heres a video of my good circles, this is how I learned, and this is how I'm most consistent still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axshX...e=channel_page
I personally ride idle for most of my circle, only bliping the throttle when I accidentally use too much brake and drop the front end..
But I DEFINITELY struggle when my idle is too high, when its around 3.6k+ I am way more choppy, 3.2k is good for me... Anything around 2.5-3k I feel like I'm using more throttle and chopping the throttle more...
#33
Re: Circle frustration
it's hard to say, everyone learns different
If you haven't circled anything, or at least anything bigger then a 50, then its HARD to commit to a tight circle IMO..
Then agian, for me personally, doing a wide O is WAY harder, since I learned them in 1 parking space width on my 150 and f4i..
I can't control 2 parking space wide O's, and I have a hard time at doing 40 foot wide O's lol... But I can turn like 4 foot wide O's no problem
btw heres a video of my good circles, this is how I learned, and this is how I'm most consistent still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axshX...e=channel_page
I personally ride idle for most of my circle, only bliping the throttle when I accidentally use too much brake and drop the front end..
But I DEFINITELY struggle when my idle is too high, when its around 3.6k+ I am way more choppy, 3.2k is good for me... Anything around 2.5-3k I feel like I'm using more throttle and chopping the throttle more...
If you haven't circled anything, or at least anything bigger then a 50, then its HARD to commit to a tight circle IMO..
Then agian, for me personally, doing a wide O is WAY harder, since I learned them in 1 parking space width on my 150 and f4i..
I can't control 2 parking space wide O's, and I have a hard time at doing 40 foot wide O's lol... But I can turn like 4 foot wide O's no problem
btw heres a video of my good circles, this is how I learned, and this is how I'm most consistent still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axshX...e=channel_page
I personally ride idle for most of my circle, only bliping the throttle when I accidentally use too much brake and drop the front end..
But I DEFINITELY struggle when my idle is too high, when its around 3.6k+ I am way more choppy, 3.2k is good for me... Anything around 2.5-3k I feel like I'm using more throttle and chopping the throttle more...
#34
Re: Circle frustration
first off if your riding an f4i your idle not to high..i got an r6 which idle is way stronger then a f4i and i run mine at 3500 constant...
and how are you turning the bike in? with the brake ,your weight or the clutch?...
try to run your idle high almost to the point where your fighting it with your hand brake but not really , then when you learn to go slow without any throttle at all,that way throttle is only used for corrections., use you clutch and weight to dip in, its just a matter of using all 3 in harmony , kinda hard to put into words does that make any sense to you?
and how are you turning the bike in? with the brake ,your weight or the clutch?...
try to run your idle high almost to the point where your fighting it with your hand brake but not really , then when you learn to go slow without any throttle at all,that way throttle is only used for corrections., use you clutch and weight to dip in, its just a matter of using all 3 in harmony , kinda hard to put into words does that make any sense to you?
Last edited by I <3 wheelies; 05-25-2009 at 12:02 AM.
#35
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Re: Circle frustration
i personally think the only thing it's good for is off peg coasters but other than that it's worse to have it on top
#37
Re: Circle frustration
first off if your riding an f4i your idle not to high..i got an r6 which idle is way stronger then a f4i and i run mine at 3500 constant...
and how are you turning the bike in? with the brake ,your weight or the clutch?...
try to run your idle high almost to the point where your fighting it with your hand brake but not really, then when you learn to go sow without any throttle at all, use you clutch and weight to dip in, its just a matter of using all 3 in harmony , kinda hard to put into words does that make any sense to you?
and how are you turning the bike in? with the brake ,your weight or the clutch?...
try to run your idle high almost to the point where your fighting it with your hand brake but not really, then when you learn to go sow without any throttle at all, use you clutch and weight to dip in, its just a matter of using all 3 in harmony , kinda hard to put into words does that make any sense to you?
#38
Re: Circle frustration
i tried it flipped and all was good but i was cruising across the lot and went to huck it back and grabbed clutch and the bike went for a ride. and this happend twice in a row. every time i try a new trick i concentrate on what my body is gona do and i end up grabbing the clutch and yard saling my **** tha is why i like the break on top cause when i panic i grab break and it saves me
#39
Re: Circle frustration
Ya i am really good with the hand break smooth and fast to use it when needed. but i think the lot itself is what is ******* me cause im not doing the whip around Os in a 3ft radius. im just trying to get it within 10ft and go around real smooth and it is getting ******* agervaiting
These were my first real circles to the left. This is a crappy cell phone vid but if you turn the volume up real high you can hear that I'm constantly hittin the gas and not once the brake. They only happened after I got so frustrated that I said **** IT and decided to let it fall in as far as I could till I had to gas the **** out of it to keep it up.
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Last edited by THORPE; 05-25-2009 at 12:10 AM.
#40
Re: Circle frustration
i ran mine like that for awhile and got alot of **** for it from mana and the rest of the guys,, so the next time i was in therapy( broke both wrist doing backflips on my 50) i asked my doc...who speciality is the muscle's in your hands....he said because of placement of bones and muscles your middle finger has the most clamping force to apply pressure like we do to the hb.....when you run you hb on top dont you use your middle finger for the clutch then..cuz that what i did and from that day on i switched them around hb on bottom...now im used to it and its way more comfy