Stunt riding will never go anywhere.
08-15-2008, 12:48 PM
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Re: Stunt riding will never go anywhere.
You were just getting too deep for us, that's all.
I made it through highschool but thats as far as I went.
08-15-2008, 01:35 PM
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08-15-2008, 01:46 PM
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Re: Stunt riding will never go anywhere.
right or wrong, i think its a good thread! i would rather hear everyones opinion on this matter, than see another thread about what cage, or handbrake should i run!!!!
08-15-2008, 02:10 PM
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Re: Stunt riding will never go anywhere.
Exactly, so why wouldnt it make it...
There are still tricks you guys havent even learned!
Only the time willtell.. Im No Pro and Far From it,
but the way you sound in your 1st post seems like you
want to Hold back the Sport yourself???
There are still tricks you guys havent even learned!
Only the time willtell.. Im No Pro and Far From it,
but the way you sound in your 1st post seems like you
want to Hold back the Sport yourself???
08-16-2008, 01:10 AM
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08-16-2008, 03:30 AM
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100%truth.....a college degree doesn't guarantee ****....I'll be $250,000 in debt when I get out of college, all for a couple extra letters tacked onto the end of my name and 2-3 pieces of paper from a board and my state. If I cant run a successful office, I'm back to working for Home Depot or some **** for MAYBE $29,000 like when I left that job, but with a loan payment of twice what my income is!
With this "sport" and going places.....there IS room to grow, and a select few will be able to make a living off of the sport directly, they are going to be the newer/younger riders. Most likely tho, those making a GOOD living off of riding are going to make their money like people in other "wheeled/non-ball"sports from advertisement deals, sponsorship deals, and other sources instead of from actual comps and shows. I personally do not feel stunt riding has the potential to blow up into what FMX or SkateBoarding has....for the simple reason that the hardest tricks being done right now are not the ones viewed as the most entertaining by the lay people, the general public.....and they have the money, they have the TV's for ratings, and they are the majority companies are trying to reach. I personally love watching someone ripping super fast combo circles and turning 270 endoes.....but.....actually watch a crowd during a show, and recognize what makes them cheer and what makes them barely clap. I was riding in a show recently (one of two I've ever ridden in btw, so yes my experience RIDING in them is limited, but not watching them). In the show people were doing combo circles and so on and the crowd was "there," Josh Clem did a couple fast pirouettes and they got kinda excited, I did a couple tall endoes that made them clap a lil, a simple chainsaw burnout made them roar somewhat, I noticed a christ or quickly done acro made them clap more than any complicated circle/endo/combo,......it was tricks from 1998 that got the crowd going, that made it exciting for them.
I've also noticed this practicing at the lot as well. I have a buddy who has Greg Sunday's old F4i and every now and then he does a bar trick....thats what usually gets the people over talking to us about how badass it was when he was doing an apehanger on the bar....not how he was comboing in and out of ralph louie to frog circles! There's your biggest barrier for this spot to blow up where people will be entertained enough where major money will change hands.
If you want to compare FMX being in the x-games, and the games being boring.....back flips, front flips, and so on are 30' high in the air at the top of 2nd gear and the rider could be seriously injured by simply missing their footpeg on the landing. On or off idle, the faster tricks in stunt riding just don't compare on the danger scale. I watched the FMX portion and loved it even not knowing the names of all the tricks, and not knowing the names of all the riders either. The rest of the x-games sucked in my opinion. Some of the rally car **** last year was ok, but the event where they go for height to get over the bar like a pole vault in track.....zzzzzzzzz, 'click' new channel!
Someone also mentioned flatland BMX earlier.....um, NEVER seen it on anything but you-tube yet, and the nitch for it may by on cable or saturday afternoon tv, but its a filler when something better wasn't happening, kinda where stunting would be on tv right now.
Another thing to consider is a potential factory sponsorship in BMX, FMX, and stunting....what does a fully setup bmx bicycle cost??? or even a setup FMX bike??? now compare to a setup premium stunt bike built from a new sportbike....oh, yeah, most people are going to require a practice bike and a show/comp bike as well.
As for the sport and sponsorships, I've made this argument before to local stunters and friends, and still stick by it..... "IF I WERE ANY MOTORCYCLE COMPANY OR EVEN A STUNT COMPANY, I WOULD NOT SPONSOR A SINGLE STUNT RIDER IN THIS AREA OR IN THIS SPORT IN GENERAL, UNLESS I FELT THEY COULD RETURN AS MUCH OR MORE MONEY AS WHAT I HAVE INVESTED IN THEIR SPONSORSHIP!" Now, just as then, I dont think there are more than maybe 5-10 people who can provide that kind of return on investment (and thats what matters to a company, making money on their investments!).....and those people are not always the best riders either.
I've heard certain riders who talk of dropping a sponsor because they aren't giving them enough, or are giving someone else more, or they haven't shipped their new cage out, or they aren't doing this or that..... and I can't help but wonder how much money those riders have generated for their sponsors!
sorry for the long rant....and flame away
With this "sport" and going places.....there IS room to grow, and a select few will be able to make a living off of the sport directly, they are going to be the newer/younger riders. Most likely tho, those making a GOOD living off of riding are going to make their money like people in other "wheeled/non-ball"sports from advertisement deals, sponsorship deals, and other sources instead of from actual comps and shows. I personally do not feel stunt riding has the potential to blow up into what FMX or SkateBoarding has....for the simple reason that the hardest tricks being done right now are not the ones viewed as the most entertaining by the lay people, the general public.....and they have the money, they have the TV's for ratings, and they are the majority companies are trying to reach. I personally love watching someone ripping super fast combo circles and turning 270 endoes.....but.....actually watch a crowd during a show, and recognize what makes them cheer and what makes them barely clap. I was riding in a show recently (one of two I've ever ridden in btw, so yes my experience RIDING in them is limited, but not watching them). In the show people were doing combo circles and so on and the crowd was "there," Josh Clem did a couple fast pirouettes and they got kinda excited, I did a couple tall endoes that made them clap a lil, a simple chainsaw burnout made them roar somewhat, I noticed a christ or quickly done acro made them clap more than any complicated circle/endo/combo,......it was tricks from 1998 that got the crowd going, that made it exciting for them.
I've also noticed this practicing at the lot as well. I have a buddy who has Greg Sunday's old F4i and every now and then he does a bar trick....thats what usually gets the people over talking to us about how badass it was when he was doing an apehanger on the bar....not how he was comboing in and out of ralph louie to frog circles! There's your biggest barrier for this spot to blow up where people will be entertained enough where major money will change hands.
If you want to compare FMX being in the x-games, and the games being boring.....back flips, front flips, and so on are 30' high in the air at the top of 2nd gear and the rider could be seriously injured by simply missing their footpeg on the landing. On or off idle, the faster tricks in stunt riding just don't compare on the danger scale. I watched the FMX portion and loved it even not knowing the names of all the tricks, and not knowing the names of all the riders either. The rest of the x-games sucked in my opinion. Some of the rally car **** last year was ok, but the event where they go for height to get over the bar like a pole vault in track.....zzzzzzzzz, 'click' new channel!
Someone also mentioned flatland BMX earlier.....um, NEVER seen it on anything but you-tube yet, and the nitch for it may by on cable or saturday afternoon tv, but its a filler when something better wasn't happening, kinda where stunting would be on tv right now.
Another thing to consider is a potential factory sponsorship in BMX, FMX, and stunting....what does a fully setup bmx bicycle cost??? or even a setup FMX bike??? now compare to a setup premium stunt bike built from a new sportbike....oh, yeah, most people are going to require a practice bike and a show/comp bike as well.
As for the sport and sponsorships, I've made this argument before to local stunters and friends, and still stick by it..... "IF I WERE ANY MOTORCYCLE COMPANY OR EVEN A STUNT COMPANY, I WOULD NOT SPONSOR A SINGLE STUNT RIDER IN THIS AREA OR IN THIS SPORT IN GENERAL, UNLESS I FELT THEY COULD RETURN AS MUCH OR MORE MONEY AS WHAT I HAVE INVESTED IN THEIR SPONSORSHIP!" Now, just as then, I dont think there are more than maybe 5-10 people who can provide that kind of return on investment (and thats what matters to a company, making money on their investments!).....and those people are not always the best riders either.
I've heard certain riders who talk of dropping a sponsor because they aren't giving them enough, or are giving someone else more, or they haven't shipped their new cage out, or they aren't doing this or that..... and I can't help but wonder how much money those riders have generated for their sponsors!
sorry for the long rant....and flame away
08-16-2008, 05:19 AM
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Re: Stunt riding will never go anywhere.
ok here is my opinion on the sport.. im not a stunt rider, just a squid but some of my best friends are stunt riders and are credited for the time they have put into this sport.. im with them at most all there practice sessions becouse im a fan and love to shoot them, photography is one of my hobbies... anyways back to my view on the sport . i believe it will make it big maby not x games, but who is to know right now i played amature paintball for 4 years and had many sponcers and was getting to play my hobbie for free but i didnt see the sport goin anywhere so i walked away from the sport well i was wrong paintball is a nation wide sport that gets regular air time and some of the guys i remimber playing against are making the big bucks not millions but they are deff. confortable with what they make doing something that they love well that could had been me.. but i was like all you naysayers on here and didnt think how something like paintball could go big i remiber when the only time i seen skate boarding or bmxing was in magazines and every now and then on tv well thats were sport bike free style is now you just have to wait and see what happens i think the guy who started this tread is getting frustrated becouse he cant ride himself....
08-16-2008, 08:45 AM
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100%truth.....a college degree doesn't guarantee ****....I'll be $250,000 in debt when I get out of college, all for a couple extra letters tacked onto the end of my name and 2-3 pieces of paper from a board and my state. If I cant run a successful office, I'm back to working for Home Depot or some **** for MAYBE $29,000 like when I left that job, but with a loan payment of twice what my income is!
With this "sport" and going places.....there IS room to grow, and a select few will be able to make a living off of the sport directly, they are going to be the newer/younger riders. Most likely tho, those making a GOOD living off of riding are going to make their money like people in other "wheeled/non-ball"sports from advertisement deals, sponsorship deals, and other sources instead of from actual comps and shows. I personally do not feel stunt riding has the potential to blow up into what FMX or SkateBoarding has....for the simple reason that the hardest tricks being done right now are not the ones viewed as the most entertaining by the lay people, the general public.....and they have the money, they have the TV's for ratings, and they are the majority companies are trying to reach. I personally love watching someone ripping super fast combo circles and turning 270 endoes.....but.....actually watch a crowd during a show, and recognize what makes them cheer and what makes them barely clap. I was riding in a show recently (one of two I've ever ridden in btw, so yes my experience RIDING in them is limited, but not watching them). In the show people were doing combo circles and so on and the crowd was "there," Josh Clem did a couple fast pirouettes and they got kinda excited, I did a couple tall endoes that made them clap a lil, a simple chainsaw burnout made them roar somewhat, I noticed a christ or quickly done acro made them clap more than any complicated circle/endo/combo,......it was tricks from 1998 that got the crowd going, that made it exciting for them.
I've also noticed this practicing at the lot as well. I have a buddy who has Greg Sunday's old F4i and every now and then he does a bar trick....thats what usually gets the people over talking to us about how badass it was when he was doing an apehanger on the bar....not how he was comboing in and out of ralph louie to frog circles! There's your biggest barrier for this spot to blow up where people will be entertained enough where major money will change hands.
If you want to compare FMX being in the x-games, and the games being boring.....back flips, front flips, and so on are 30' high in the air at the top of 2nd gear and the rider could be seriously injured by simply missing their footpeg on the landing. On or off idle, the faster tricks in stunt riding just don't compare on the danger scale. I watched the FMX portion and loved it even not knowing the names of all the tricks, and not knowing the names of all the riders either. The rest of the x-games sucked in my opinion. Some of the rally car **** last year was ok, but the event where they go for height to get over the bar like a pole vault in track.....zzzzzzzzz, 'click' new channel!
Someone also mentioned flatland BMX earlier.....um, NEVER seen it on anything but you-tube yet, and the nitch for it may by on cable or saturday afternoon tv, but its a filler when something better wasn't happening, kinda where stunting would be on tv right now.
Another thing to consider is a potential factory sponsorship in BMX, FMX, and stunting....what does a fully setup bmx bicycle cost??? or even a setup FMX bike??? now compare to a setup premium stunt bike built from a new sportbike....oh, yeah, most people are going to require a practice bike and a show/comp bike as well.
As for the sport and sponsorships, I've made this argument before to local stunters and friends, and still stick by it..... "IF I WERE ANY MOTORCYCLE COMPANY OR EVEN A STUNT COMPANY, I WOULD NOT SPONSOR A SINGLE STUNT RIDER IN THIS AREA OR IN THIS SPORT IN GENERAL, UNLESS I FELT THEY COULD RETURN AS MUCH OR MORE MONEY AS WHAT I HAVE INVESTED IN THEIR SPONSORSHIP!" Now, just as then, I dont think there are more than maybe 5-10 people who can provide that kind of return on investment (and thats what matters to a company, making money on their investments!).....and those people are not always the best riders either.
I've heard certain riders who talk of dropping a sponsor because they aren't giving them enough, or are giving someone else more, or they haven't shipped their new cage out, or they aren't doing this or that..... and I can't help but wonder how much money those riders have generated for their sponsors!
sorry for the long rant....and flame away
With this "sport" and going places.....there IS room to grow, and a select few will be able to make a living off of the sport directly, they are going to be the newer/younger riders. Most likely tho, those making a GOOD living off of riding are going to make their money like people in other "wheeled/non-ball"sports from advertisement deals, sponsorship deals, and other sources instead of from actual comps and shows. I personally do not feel stunt riding has the potential to blow up into what FMX or SkateBoarding has....for the simple reason that the hardest tricks being done right now are not the ones viewed as the most entertaining by the lay people, the general public.....and they have the money, they have the TV's for ratings, and they are the majority companies are trying to reach. I personally love watching someone ripping super fast combo circles and turning 270 endoes.....but.....actually watch a crowd during a show, and recognize what makes them cheer and what makes them barely clap. I was riding in a show recently (one of two I've ever ridden in btw, so yes my experience RIDING in them is limited, but not watching them). In the show people were doing combo circles and so on and the crowd was "there," Josh Clem did a couple fast pirouettes and they got kinda excited, I did a couple tall endoes that made them clap a lil, a simple chainsaw burnout made them roar somewhat, I noticed a christ or quickly done acro made them clap more than any complicated circle/endo/combo,......it was tricks from 1998 that got the crowd going, that made it exciting for them.
I've also noticed this practicing at the lot as well. I have a buddy who has Greg Sunday's old F4i and every now and then he does a bar trick....thats what usually gets the people over talking to us about how badass it was when he was doing an apehanger on the bar....not how he was comboing in and out of ralph louie to frog circles! There's your biggest barrier for this spot to blow up where people will be entertained enough where major money will change hands.
If you want to compare FMX being in the x-games, and the games being boring.....back flips, front flips, and so on are 30' high in the air at the top of 2nd gear and the rider could be seriously injured by simply missing their footpeg on the landing. On or off idle, the faster tricks in stunt riding just don't compare on the danger scale. I watched the FMX portion and loved it even not knowing the names of all the tricks, and not knowing the names of all the riders either. The rest of the x-games sucked in my opinion. Some of the rally car **** last year was ok, but the event where they go for height to get over the bar like a pole vault in track.....zzzzzzzzz, 'click' new channel!
Someone also mentioned flatland BMX earlier.....um, NEVER seen it on anything but you-tube yet, and the nitch for it may by on cable or saturday afternoon tv, but its a filler when something better wasn't happening, kinda where stunting would be on tv right now.
Another thing to consider is a potential factory sponsorship in BMX, FMX, and stunting....what does a fully setup bmx bicycle cost??? or even a setup FMX bike??? now compare to a setup premium stunt bike built from a new sportbike....oh, yeah, most people are going to require a practice bike and a show/comp bike as well.
As for the sport and sponsorships, I've made this argument before to local stunters and friends, and still stick by it..... "IF I WERE ANY MOTORCYCLE COMPANY OR EVEN A STUNT COMPANY, I WOULD NOT SPONSOR A SINGLE STUNT RIDER IN THIS AREA OR IN THIS SPORT IN GENERAL, UNLESS I FELT THEY COULD RETURN AS MUCH OR MORE MONEY AS WHAT I HAVE INVESTED IN THEIR SPONSORSHIP!" Now, just as then, I dont think there are more than maybe 5-10 people who can provide that kind of return on investment (and thats what matters to a company, making money on their investments!).....and those people are not always the best riders either.
I've heard certain riders who talk of dropping a sponsor because they aren't giving them enough, or are giving someone else more, or they haven't shipped their new cage out, or they aren't doing this or that..... and I can't help but wonder how much money those riders have generated for their sponsors!
sorry for the long rant....and flame away
08-17-2008, 01:16 AM
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I didn't get a slacker degree, I have a degree in Chemistry. The thing is any job you try to get now wants ppl with 5+ years of experience or a Ph.D. So why not try and chase your dream? Thats what I was trying to do with college, but **** don't always pan out the way we want it to... Stunting and a college degree is no different then gambling, you throw money at it in hopes of striking it rich, but only a handful can... it's America deal with it
08-17-2008, 01:22 AM
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by the way if your not a stunter or a rider your opinion doesnt matter so sorry sweet ****
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08-17-2008, 01:53 AM
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just to let you all know i pretty much got the reaction i was looking for so jokes on you...
but kane you still suck , and i bet you give one hell of a blow job
but kane you still suck , and i bet you give one hell of a blow job
08-18-2008, 11:29 AM
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