amen....**** is going to flex. if it didn't flex then all the force would go to the frame and you would eventually destroy the frame.

why don't lazy *** riders spend money on hardened case covers like racers do if they are worried about that ****? oh ya, because they are stupid and they haven't been around the game like the real riders.

that's all there was back in the day, billet case covers and some janky sliders.
i remembered when we were happy that only the frame, swingarm, and plastics were destroyed and that we didn't bend a crank when we crashed. THAT was good. now riders get pissed of they break a 10$ pot metal brake lever and blame the cage for it.

listen to ryan or go to your shed

 

905 works for me thanks steph for always being there !!!!!!!!!!

 

905 will replace the cage if you can get it off without having to cut it off. I dont understand why they dont just teak their design a bit to improve on it. The problem i have with them is when i crash the whole bike does not just majically end up on its side like the cage is designed for. It hits the bottom corner first and pushes that corner up or down or whatever way it wants. The fi cage has the roll bar there which cant bend up or down or which ever way. If i crashed hard enough for the bike to actually land on nothing but the slider then i dont care what happens because it would mean that was my own stupid fault for being an idiot and not trying to save it. So i think what im trying to say is people have their own style of crashing and there is a cage out there to suit which ever that is. If you let your bike slam down then get the one with several contact points (905), if you just tip your **** over get the rollbar Fi I think this new generation of riders is just so pampered with their cages and handbrakes they dont really understand what its like to ride without, and they expect their bikes to just never brake cuz they have a cage.

 

mine broke in two places.. heres a few pics, i would say there junk. ive had my si cage and beat it to death w no problem

 

 

That's the first time I ever heard anyone say that before. All I ever heard is make sure your cage is torqued down tight (but not too tight or the all thread will break mind you..lol) and look at the video on our website showing our cages take drops from ALL angles! lol

Not saying that people should blame their cages, cuz I don't. Do I think my frame is busted, in the specific way that it is busted directly cuz of the cage design? Yea.... to a point. But it could be a whole plethora of factors and "what if's" that could be blamed for it also, so it's not the fault of the cage solely. It just is what it is and **** is gonna break! I wouldv'e thought it wouldv'e held up better than just three spills though??

I agree with your miltiple contact point theory though. In my short time of learning things the hard way, I have found out it's very true.

 

we all knew that, All ur wheelies are at 2mph

 

Well i'm like the captain of the ship, when i go down, im going down with it and doing as much as i can to ease it to the ground. As soon as you let go of the bars in a crash then thats pretty much the point where you cant complain about if a cage held up or not. If it holds up even once you got your moneys worth. I'll use that clip of apex when we were out in the DMV riding. He gassed it on a pretty wild big circle when he knew full well he shouldnt have. It highsided, spitted him a good 10 feet at least the cage ripped out his motormounts at which point he cursed out Fi. Its not fi's fault he gassed it when anyone with normal sense wouldnt have gassd an already out of control fast circle. Had there been no cage at all and he did that, the bike would have been a total write off, but instead he is missing some motormount threads. Cage paid for itself right there.

 

would it have happend with another cage?
i dont hear horor stories of SI or tygershark!

 

Well god bless the almighty tygershark then. Ill put one on my bike and drop it off a ******* cliff because they are just stupendous.

 

wish i had tookin pics of mine before i had to cut it off my bike. twisted the thing like a pretzel in the first couple months when i started stuntin last fall

 

not cliff...........Pancake!

 

Good story... LOL
I just feel jaded when I see other people pancake their bikes from the bar, or on idle, or doin circles and stuff with other cages and they have no problems and they do it several times in one sesh! I do it 3 times with a good few days inbetween... each time being a good boy and tightening things and checkin this and that, being careful... and then next thing I know, it's time to take my bike apart and weld back up my frame??? Leaves me feeling like I got ripped off somewhere. I mean, put yourself in my shoes for a sec.... wouldn't it make you feel like that, at least a little bit, too?

And I'm not playing devils advocate, I totally agree with you too...
However, I'm like if it works for them, why can't it work for me? I don't know? Like you said, no one to blame but yourself for a crash that's true. But as for the normal pancake crashes that we ALL do from learning idle/circs...
IMO, you should be able to count on WHATever cage you have to hold up for at least a dozen crashes like that, or they need to close their doors.

Now that is all I have to say about it cuz I'm too busy workin on my **** to get back goin asap, and it's not gettin me anywhere livin in the past. Time to move out and draw fire!

 

You're not getting ripped off at all. Having a cage gives you peace of mind that when you do crash there is a good chance you can ride back home (if anyone actually does that anymore). Lets say you have to replace a cage every single time you pancake, you would still be saving money because without a cage that same crash would bent cranks which means more down time and alot more money. If you are at a point that you are bailing out like that 3 or 4 times a week that means your trying to run when really you should be walking. Which is why back in the old days you couldnt have someone in one year go from not knowing how to wheelie to being able to do every trick in the book, now kids like that are poping up everywhere.

 

my 905's had a few bad drops, no pancakes though, its only slightly tweaked. i know sytfu rr started stuntin a lil while ago n had race rails on and soon took 'em off after pancake drop cus it craped out, it seems though that if u pancake any cage hard enough or the right angle on the first drop its gonna be a wrap from how the impact just pushes into the frame.

 

i just broke mine today wit a powers cage.. guess it depends on ur fall

 

picture posted by kntmare181 says it all.. i cant believe i tube would break like that. .. bend.. ok... but just break ! and not even at the weld joint... ****... there you go also .. theres no point in gussets if those are twisting like paper to

 

****, I can find a new motor all day long for my bike, but not a frame....

I agree to a point, if it saved my bike even once it paid for itself I guess, but who ever buys a new cage after every drop? And I didn't buy it for one crash either!
What is your theory for why it works like that for some people and not others? And they all are the same type of drops?

I'm sayin from witnessing people do the same thing I did, (and I actually did it WEEKS apart although I expect to do it every time I kick a leg over it) and they did it on the same day and much harder, and their **** was cool, no problems whatsoever!?
I crash, even easy, and I have to automatically take stuff apart and tighten this and that.. they pancake a circle and pick their bikes up and ride off and do it again!?!?!? And I'm talkin letting it go and watching it crash.... You can't tell me that wouldn't make you feel like WTF is wrong with me?

I think that if I drop my bike by letting go of it on a pancake style drop, instead of trying to ride it down somehow and hurting myslef means nothing about where I'm at skillswise... I'm almost 34 years old bro, sure I'll try to save it if I can, but other times I can't. big deal!

Everybody learning at some point will drop their bike hard. And it probably won't be only once also. the difference is in the people who give up after one problem -vs- those who fix thier stuff and try again. That is where the squids get weeded out IMO.

I'm not blaming the cage, but in my case the style of cage didn't exactly help! I'm going to sell it though, and maybe someone else can try to save their bike everytime they drop it? Hell jump underneath the damn thing to cushion the blow for all I care.
I think I was agreeing with you, but I'm kinda confused about what we are even talkin about anymore.

what are we talkin about?


OH yea.....
Son Dobby's cages rock:YEAH and I'll confirm all of this stuff, our theory about multiple contact points, and the fact that it may have ben some of the cage design as to why my bike is broken, as soon as I order mine and pancake my bike withOUT trying to save it! LOL
Either way... (both a little bit cynical and a bit serious).. thanks Freestyle Ingenuity!