we are both right, but all i was trying to is a F4i frame is not 1/2" thick in the neck, so therefore the stamp process would pentrate all the way through.

 

I think JohnnyP is running hot bikes haha

Hes swapping frames...restamping...has extra frames sitting around that he was going to throw away anyways....and overall seems overly into beating the system for this acid test hahah




I am a criminal investigations major in college currently and yes the acid test works, yes stock05 is right on the money about it, and no I'm not sure how deep down the grain is altered but I'm guna ask my teacher when I go back to class. We covered that acid test and learned a general overview of it. Once you join a department or get out into the field you take a specific course and become certified to specificly do the acid test. Also yes there is a technical name for it and I gotta search through my room and get the book and look it up for ya.

P.S. I'm just bustin your ***** JohnnyP

 

you could call these guys... they probabaly could tell you some more about it....

http://www.rapid-response-consulting...FQaHHgodyFogQQ

 

Good analogy. And you're right it won't go all the way through with conventional stamping. I've tested a bunch of junk frames a few years ago and found that out. You only have to grind a few mm past the #'s and it's gone for the most part, and if you stamp something over it it'll **** it up enough. Same goes for engines...

Keep in mind that this only applies to conventionally "stamped" frames. Take a look at newer R6/R1 frames and you'll see the #'s are not conventionally stamped, more like lazer etched or something (looks like little white dots). Those go through all the way.

As far as "hidden #'s"... thats bullshit. However it's not a bad idea for you to pop your tank and stamp some **** inside your own bike for ID purposes incase your **** gets jacked. I stamp my own tag in all my bikes and I etch all my expensive parts

 

with my knowledge of metallurgy and chemicals id guess a hydrochloric acid soltion, im trying to find some paper work from my old job on what the acidity should be. nitric and sulfuric acid would oxidize the aluminum to rapidly and cause it to catch fire.

 

lets just say that if you had a frame that the numbers were ground off of and then you restamped it wouldnt that again change the grain of the metal and make it impossible to get the numbers out with this so called acid. im really curious to find out how this stuff works

 

you'd still be fucked for felony altering vins....

 

i would like to see everyone with stamped or altered vins bring them to bike week and hang out at hess all night and see how many of you leave with a bike

 

ya, you guys talk all hard about that **** but my #'s were all jacked up on my 929 when i was down there 3 years in a row due to switching motors and junk....the multiple times we got pulled over, guess how many of these "bad ***" florida cops did anythingabout it? hmm...probably zero considering there has never been anything against my record.

the only time it's going to be an issue is if your paperwork doesn't check out with the VIN on the bike, then they would probably impound it. they didn't even check the vin on my bike the multiple times we were pulled over for nothing.

and about getting out onto the force.....it would actually be someone in forensics that would test frames. it would have nothing to do with going to the academy and going out and being a cop. big mr. piggy driving around doesn't do that ****. if they were that educated do you think they would only be making 30k a year?

 

but what about the engins,the numbres dont match the vin do they? i know on cars they dont

 

hi greg

no they don't match but they're cross refferenced some how through production #'s.

 

like i said park it at hess where the auto theft unit hangs out and checks almost everything that come through there

 

yes they are

 

haha this is quite the discussion

i was thinking of that bike i sold with a ground out engine.... can you stamp new engine numbers on something like this; or will it just crack the case.

the reason its an issue is that the bike was a salvage title- if he gets a salvage inspection its gonna get checked.

i should have run to the bike dealer and grabbed an engine number off there.

 

Nerds!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

is there anyway to check engine numbers, without going to the cops or dmv and get yourself in trouble

 

call up your state salvage inspection station... tell em there's an engine/frame for sale and you want to find out if it's clean to buy for your re-build

 

heres the bottom line, IF YOU'RE SCARED, GO TO CHURCH.

 

Duh thats what I said buddy you go to a seperate school for it, its not something a street patrol pigg does.

notice I am studing criminal investigations

not to be some ******* street patrol cop