hahaha Good eye! Guess your right.

 

if you just brace the tabs then the peg bracket can bend pretty easy if you pancake your **** the cross bar is the best way to go

and some one on this forum [can't remember who] posted that they just ran threaded rod between the mounts and the tire hit them

 

I weight a whole 165 and rarely bottom my rear shock/spring out, I think the cross rod would put more torqe on the mounts and not give le-way for the peg rod to bend thus bending the mounts. powers simply conforms to squids... making **** overly beefy to look more intising. just tieing in the two mounts is the whole strong point of the system, such as tieing a cage together makes it that little bit stronger to put out word stress on the right side cage if the left side takes a hit. so just utilizing the left n right mount would double the strength per mount...

but now the bracket bending would be an issue, and normaly when i dump a bike pretty good the pegs fold and the tail plastic takes the impack and bends the subframe, so i think i'd much rather choose a bracket bending snapping and re-welding a new tube on.. much cheaper then subframe repair.

and the 05 subframe is much more weaker then 03/04... so just because u hc pancake your 03 roger. and no damage occurs, the 05 surely will.

 

the cross bar actually causes each mount to have less stress because it splits the stress between the two via the cross bar and having it mount close to the bottom of the bracket keeps the brackets from bending in a pancake as mentioned before

 

having a steel brace go from mounting point to mounting point will help keeps the tabs from bending but will make stock peg brackets bend and break sooner because with the stock aluminium brackets the subframe flexes alot so with just a brace as you discribe will not let the subframe flex causing all the impact to be absorbed by the stock aluminium peg bracket

 

theres no such thing as "less stress" if you tie the two mounts together. exactly roger, now u eliminate stock bracvkets and weld on 7/8's steel/chromoly tubing as your new peg bracks, u can run one single tube in thicker dia or V two tubes together. useing less metal which transfers into less weight which transfers into the tubbing giving insted of mounts!

 

i put two and two together, i am a realist, ***** going to give at one point, and i'd much rather have some tubing give before my sub/tabs... why are all hand levers pre cut to have braking points? because the master cylinder cost alot more.

and look at the weak *** subframes on the 05 compared to the 03's, tell me this bitch would survive a pancake with all its stupid weakening bends

 

ok then

connecting them together causes the impact to be absorbed by two sets of tabs rather then one............ie less stress on each

if there were no cross bar and just a brace as you discribe this would have bent even a steel bracket but it didnt even budge my subcage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhRba3hk5Wo

and i did it a couple times and it left dents in the asphault

 

ok then simply trial n error i could run a 1-2inch bar from the new bar bracket welded to the plate to increase strength, but look at the 2005 subframe its garbage.

 

i don't think you are fully grasping what happens when you tie the two sides together with a cross bar

it actually more then doubles the amount of impact the tabs can withstand

it would normally just bend in on impact but with the cross bar in order for it to bend in one side it would actually have to move the one on the impact side down and in and the one on the other side up and out

the cross bar spreads the impact though out the whole subframe rather then just on the one tab and that is obviously one whole hell of alot stronger then one tab alone

 

yes this would be good but it seems overly engineered compared to the cross bar

and like i said before the flat peice running from one mount to the other hits the tire

 

simple ajustment would make it impossible to have the tire touch.

and on the 05... the tabs barely lift from the tray 1/2 inch so theres plenty of tire travel

 

Speaking of tabs and subframes, anybody got a left pass peg and bracket?

 

way easier to make one with a cross bar then the way you are talking about and

 

i started building these subcages so i would never have to ask that very same question again.......

 

so i have been running this for some support and it almost sticks out half a inch and tire has NOT hit it as u can see, and i was going to use this steel to brace the mounts and i dont need a tubing bender to create this design i made, just simple cuts n messurements

 

my design would be ten welds and yours are 8 welds.

 

you don't need a tubing bender ....

just put a couple slices in the cross bar and bend it by hand and weld up the slices or you could just cut three peices at the right angles and weld them or heat it and bend it or just bend a long peice around a pole and cut out the pieace you bent

if all that seems like to much work harbor freight has a bender for like 90 bucks

 

i need a cad program....

 

Yeah, yeah!!!! It twisted the peg and bracket