Website and Police - Can they bust us?
05-03-2003, 12:28 AM
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Website and Police - Can they bust us?
Ok, this may turn out to be a novel, but please bear with me on this.
I run a website out of Madison, Wisconsin. It's basically just a local area rider's site, with event pics, local ride info, and bike pictures. However a bunch of us have been stunting and there are some good pictures put up. Heres the deal:
In january a rider took off from a cop. The cop was mildly irate about this. I took the website down. Well in his inquiries, a local NARC told him about my website and was given a video off my website by this person (I think). If he did, why he did this was BEYOND any sense of reason. People have been issued tickets because of that video. Now i want to post up new pics and vids I get again.
The questions I have are these:
1. If they cannot see whos under the helmet, but can identify the bike, can they do anything about it?
2. If i were to hypothetically have helmetless shots of people doing stoppies or burnouts in parking lots, is this possible grounds for legal action against the riders?
3. Does someone have to admit to taking the pictures/videos, and identify the person on the bike at that time? And if someone were to do that, how could they still prove it?
Basically what i want to know, is how do all the sites get away with posting the pictures/videos? Are the cops in my area just too bored, and everywhere else they could give a $hit?!?! What are the loopholes? I guess im looking for free legal advice, if thats what you wanna call it, I dont need fellow riders getting nailed for stuff on my site, but on the other hand, its cool to post up the stunt pics, and they want them up. Ive been meaning to talk to a lawyer about this, but i thought id check with you all to see what other stuntriders or webmasters know about this.
Sorry about the long post!
Bustedplastic
I run a website out of Madison, Wisconsin. It's basically just a local area rider's site, with event pics, local ride info, and bike pictures. However a bunch of us have been stunting and there are some good pictures put up. Heres the deal:
In january a rider took off from a cop. The cop was mildly irate about this. I took the website down. Well in his inquiries, a local NARC told him about my website and was given a video off my website by this person (I think). If he did, why he did this was BEYOND any sense of reason. People have been issued tickets because of that video. Now i want to post up new pics and vids I get again.
The questions I have are these:
1. If they cannot see whos under the helmet, but can identify the bike, can they do anything about it?
2. If i were to hypothetically have helmetless shots of people doing stoppies or burnouts in parking lots, is this possible grounds for legal action against the riders?
3. Does someone have to admit to taking the pictures/videos, and identify the person on the bike at that time? And if someone were to do that, how could they still prove it?
Basically what i want to know, is how do all the sites get away with posting the pictures/videos? Are the cops in my area just too bored, and everywhere else they could give a $hit?!?! What are the loopholes? I guess im looking for free legal advice, if thats what you wanna call it, I dont need fellow riders getting nailed for stuff on my site, but on the other hand, its cool to post up the stunt pics, and they want them up. Ive been meaning to talk to a lawyer about this, but i thought id check with you all to see what other stuntriders or webmasters know about this.
Sorry about the long post!
Bustedplastic
05-03-2003, 05:21 AM
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I'll tell ya want...for the past 4+ years we have been putting up videos and pics some pics of defacing cop cars with SBFreaks stickers. I have had my video tape taken twice now by the cops.
1st time taken i filed a complaint and charged the cop with the violation of 1st and 4th amendments, privacy act , false arrest and illegal search & seizure....I won!!!
2nd time cops got a blank tape because the officer ask for the tape in the camera not the tape in my car...lol The funny thing is the detective bitch lady says "Good luck" to me...haha I want my 4 bucks of a tape back too.
Plus we were on Private property, a wheelie is a misdeanor but cops have no jurisdiction on private property. Didn't give me probal cause and no one was arrested or cited at the scene. I'll win this one too.
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The laws have changed for all states mainly Cali for gang affilated activity for bikers....ie groups hanging out while doing wheelies or burnies may get bike or car impounded for 30 days for what they call a "Side show".
For your videos post them and if the cops bust them for **** they think then those people need to fight the cops and learn about the law when going to court. I'll look in to a little for ya.
I have like 7 cases already won by fellow riders who have gotten tickets in the past 2 months...I just gave them sound advice of what to say and how to question the law to leave doubt in ones case.
COPS ARE CORRUPT!!! I know this!
1st time taken i filed a complaint and charged the cop with the violation of 1st and 4th amendments, privacy act , false arrest and illegal search & seizure....I won!!!
2nd time cops got a blank tape because the officer ask for the tape in the camera not the tape in my car...lol The funny thing is the detective bitch lady says "Good luck" to me...haha I want my 4 bucks of a tape back too.
Plus we were on Private property, a wheelie is a misdeanor but cops have no jurisdiction on private property. Didn't give me probal cause and no one was arrested or cited at the scene. I'll win this one too.
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The laws have changed for all states mainly Cali for gang affilated activity for bikers....ie groups hanging out while doing wheelies or burnies may get bike or car impounded for 30 days for what they call a "Side show".
For your videos post them and if the cops bust them for **** they think then those people need to fight the cops and learn about the law when going to court. I'll look in to a little for ya.
I have like 7 cases already won by fellow riders who have gotten tickets in the past 2 months...I just gave them sound advice of what to say and how to question the law to leave doubt in ones case.
COPS ARE CORRUPT!!! I know this!
05-03-2003, 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by Radical Jester
I post them, i think the cops just being a dick. Cops are bad because they can't stunt like us.
But that just my
I post them, i think the cops just being a dick. Cops are bad because they can't stunt like us.
But that just my
05-03-2003, 08:00 AM
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wheelies are not illeagle in texas. i have had friends win in court because of wheelie tickets. there is no law stating that wheelies are illeagle.
they can however give you a $80 excessive acceleration ticket. unless youre just riding by under the speed limit when he sees you. 
they can however give you a $80 excessive acceleration ticket. unless youre just riding by under the speed limit when he sees you.
05-03-2003, 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by movistargixxer
wheelies are not illeagle in texas. i have had friends win in court because of wheelie tickets. there is no law stating that wheelies are illeagle. they can however give you a $80 excessive acceleration ticket. unless youre just riding by under the speed limit when he sees you.
wheelies are not illeagle in texas. i have had friends win in court because of wheelie tickets. there is no law stating that wheelies are illeagle.
they can however give you a $80 excessive acceleration ticket. unless youre just riding by under the speed limit when he sees you. are you serious
05-03-2003, 11:46 AM
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down here in bama, they are considered an "excessive show of power" and you get a $200 ticket for doing them. depending on how big of a dick the cop is, he could slap you for reckless endangerment.
nice thing is, all the cops are on the good ole boy system, so the four cops that ride with us, usually make sure that the tickets don't get turned into the clerks.
nice thing is, all the cops are on the good ole boy system, so the four cops that ride with us, usually make sure that the tickets don't get turned into the clerks.
05-03-2003, 02:38 PM
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That's b.s.
You can't busted unless your plate was visible in the photo or videos. If you watch some of these bike videos, notice how the plates are blured out. Also find a guy in your area like -Baker-, because guys like him know the law can get you out anything like that b.s.
You can't busted unless your plate was visible in the photo or videos. If you watch some of these bike videos, notice how the plates are blured out. Also find a guy in your area like -Baker-, because guys like him know the law can get you out anything like that b.s.
05-03-2003, 03:11 PM
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for the website use waht bill clinton said
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05-03-2003, 03:38 PM
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even if the plate is visible you can't get a ticket if they don't know its you. If I let my friend borrow my bike and he gets caught doing a wheelie, I'm not gonna get the ticket.
This would be my suggestion, just blur out the plate, and also blur out street signs. Now they can't even prove where you are from the vids and pics.
This would be my suggestion, just blur out the plate, and also blur out street signs. Now they can't even prove where you are from the vids and pics.
05-03-2003, 05:27 PM
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wheelies can also be charged as reckless endangerment or inability to control your vehicle. even if the law doesn't say anything about wheelies, they can pretty much ticket you under other laws for it.
i got an unsafe start for doin one because the cop didn't feel lke doing paperwork.
i got an unsafe start for doin one because the cop didn't feel lke doing paperwork.
05-03-2003, 06:27 PM
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you can also get a ticket for operating a motorcycle without two wheels on the pavement. As well as, if your butt leaves the seat, it can be considered reckless driving..... Fact is, most Cops are looking for a chase, and they think it is cool when you do what you do, however, they have a job to do, grant it, some are ******, but for the most part down here in our neck of the woods, they seem to let you off with a "we don't want to scrape you off the pavement speech" and a little warning.
05-04-2003, 06:30 AM
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you guys got some strange laws. Centermost part of the lane? THat's strange, because depending on the situation, as to what part of the lane you should be in (Making a turn, blind corner, etc.)
If you read the books down here, it says something like "A motorcycle is to be operated with a leg on either side of the bike, facing forward. The bike is to have a headlight, a tail light, and at least one mirror. The bike must also have some sort of seat or saddle on which the rider CAN sit. That's paraphrased, but that's close. So, by reading this, one can safely assume:
You can ski off the back, provided your legs are spread wide enough straddle the bike.
you can sit in the highchair, just not crossed up.
Special k's must be performed slightly wider than usual.
recliners are fine, as long as you don't cross your legs
wheelies and endos are ok, as long as a leg is on either side of the bike.
Even still they can get you for wreckless driving, but what about endos? That's not a show of speed, power, or anything else. What they gonna get you for there, wreckless stopping?
To the guy who started this thread: Man, your cops are way too bored up there. I mean, I understand people got jobs to do, but what, are they payin' them on commission? Start making them work harder until they don't have enough time to sit on the internet looking for reasons to bust people. If they got time to surf the internet, fishing for feeble reasons to run somebody in, then they are either a.) not gainfully employed, or b.) not doing their job. So call the police! Call 'em everytime you see a hoodlum kid go in or come out of the convience store on the corner. Call them if you ARE the hoodlum kid walking out of the store Call them and ask 'em what time it is. Call 'em and ask 'em for the number to information. Job oppurtunuties. Take the time to go down to the police station and fill out a critique form. Once a week. There are ways to get 'em jobs, it's our jobs as citizens to help out the LEOs in need.
If you read the books down here, it says something like "A motorcycle is to be operated with a leg on either side of the bike, facing forward. The bike is to have a headlight, a tail light, and at least one mirror. The bike must also have some sort of seat or saddle on which the rider CAN sit. That's paraphrased, but that's close. So, by reading this, one can safely assume:
You can ski off the back, provided your legs are spread wide enough straddle the bike.
you can sit in the highchair, just not crossed up.
Special k's must be performed slightly wider than usual.
recliners are fine, as long as you don't cross your legs
wheelies and endos are ok, as long as a leg is on either side of the bike.
Even still they can get you for wreckless driving, but what about endos? That's not a show of speed, power, or anything else. What they gonna get you for there, wreckless stopping?
To the guy who started this thread: Man, your cops are way too bored up there. I mean, I understand people got jobs to do, but what, are they payin' them on commission? Start making them work harder until they don't have enough time to sit on the internet looking for reasons to bust people. If they got time to surf the internet, fishing for feeble reasons to run somebody in, then they are either a.) not gainfully employed, or b.) not doing their job. So call the police! Call 'em everytime you see a hoodlum kid go in or come out of the convience store on the corner. Call them if you ARE the hoodlum kid walking out of the store Call them and ask 'em what time it is. Call 'em and ask 'em for the number to information. Job oppurtunuties. Take the time to go down to the police station and fill out a critique form. Once a week. There are ways to get 'em jobs, it's our jobs as citizens to help out the LEOs in need.
05-04-2003, 07:25 AM
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Exactly! With all that time spent to get someone busted for what, a wreckless or some other b.s. ticket, they could be worrying about DUI's, serial killers and etc that are out there. All I got to say is FTP!
05-04-2003, 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by doc_rock
To the guy who started this thread: Man, your cops are way too bored up there. I mean, I understand people got jobs to do, but what, are they payin' them on commission? Start making them work harder until they don't have enough time to sit on the internet looking for reasons to bust people. If they got time to surf the internet, fishing for feeble reasons to run somebody in, then they are either a.) not gainfully employed, or b.) not doing their job. So call the police! Call 'em everytime you see a hoodlum kid go in or come out of the convience store on the corner. Call them if you ARE the hoodlum kid walking out of the store Call them and ask 'em what time it is. Call 'em and ask 'em for the number to information. Job oppurtunuties. Take the time to go down to the police station and fill out a critique form. Once a week. There are ways to get 'em jobs, it's our jobs as citizens to help out the LEOs in need.
To the guy who started this thread: Man, your cops are way too bored up there. I mean, I understand people got jobs to do, but what, are they payin' them on commission? Start making them work harder until they don't have enough time to sit on the internet looking for reasons to bust people. If they got time to surf the internet, fishing for feeble reasons to run somebody in, then they are either a.) not gainfully employed, or b.) not doing their job. So call the police! Call 'em everytime you see a hoodlum kid go in or come out of the convience store on the corner. Call them if you ARE the hoodlum kid walking out of the store Call them and ask 'em what time it is. Call 'em and ask 'em for the number to information. Job oppurtunuties. Take the time to go down to the police station and fill out a critique form. Once a week. There are ways to get 'em jobs, it's our jobs as citizens to help out the LEOs in need.
05-04-2003, 02:23 PM
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Some of the suggestions made seem reasonable, however, I would be sure to go to the Library and find the law books for your location, or consult a lawyer who is well known with the judges you have to deal with. Reason being is, things are different in every state and city. Example, it way stated that in TX it's not illegal to ride a wheelie (which I'm sure it is, but is written up differently). In VA it's an automatic wreckless, whether it was an inch high, or 3 miles long.
05-04-2003, 02:43 PM
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Re: Website and Police - Can they bust us?
Originally posted by bustedplastic
The questions I have are these:
1. If they cannot see whos under the helmet, but can identify the bike, can they do anything about it?
Bustedplastic
The questions I have are these:
1. If they cannot see whos under the helmet, but can identify the bike, can they do anything about it?
Bustedplastic
What about eluding is this the same? If say you get away.......but they come pickyou up 4 hours later is that legal?they say they got your tag # but was it really you just because it was your bike? Curious cause this happened to a friend of mine?
