How are most consistant with circles??
11-09-2006, 12:26 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
When you think too much about too many variables it makes it way harder then it needs to be. You want to be at stready speed coming into the circle. Whatever speed you choose, just keep it steady so your not speeding up or slowing down. That way when your coming into it your speed wont be on your mind at all. Dont be affraid to get it leaned over. The more you lean it over before you gas it the more room for error you have. If you keep it up high, as soon as you get on the gas you will be close to a highside scenario. If your nice and low you can get on the gas for a while before its going to get close to highsiding.
Thats the exact opposite of what you need to be doing. If you gas it when its coming up and out on you, your going to make it worse. I think all you need is alot of practice, start making things that are working for you routine so its one less thing that you think about and its just a sub-concious thing.
Originally Posted by revditup
I need it but mostly blip the throttle slightly when it feels like it wants to highside.
Does that sound like the right direction?
Does that sound like the right direction?
11-09-2006, 12:31 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
I like my idle at at least 1500 but reguardless of idle in order to be smooth you need to be very suttle with the throttle, brake, and body english. If im going for smoothness I like to think of doing everything in slow motion, meaning instead of a quick tap of the brake just ease on the brake and instead of blirping the throttle ease on to it and so on. In order to do this you need to anticipate what the bike is going to do and not wait till your about to wreck. Consistency is a little different, in order to be consistent you have to control steer the bike by rotating the bike or leaning in or out. If you go into the circle and just let your brake and throttle do the work you probably wont make it past 3 or 4. What i do is when im getting to high I'll pull on my right handle bar and push on the left and give it a little gas at the same time. that steers the bike in to a wider circle allowing you to fall back in. If you start to fall in to much you do the exact opposite. hope that helps.
11-09-2006, 12:42 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
I'll try it tonight and see what I can get out of it.
I think I had been doing it backwards. When I was on idle and would go around 1/2 slightly on the brake and when it would start to stand up on me and come out, I would let off the brake and turn it back in. That was the way I learned them dragging foot but I know I had alot more weight on the inside to pull with instead of leaning the bike over as much.
So I think i get it.....say I got the idle up, turn it in ride around 1/4 and let it fall a little, slightly gas it up to where the bike comes back up from the outward momentum, let off the gas enough to let it catch idle again, repeat...
Oh and only use the brake if I gas it to far back but only enough to get back to idle
This sound promising?
I think I had been doing it backwards. When I was on idle and would go around 1/2 slightly on the brake and when it would start to stand up on me and come out, I would let off the brake and turn it back in. That was the way I learned them dragging foot but I know I had alot more weight on the inside to pull with instead of leaning the bike over as much.
So I think i get it.....say I got the idle up, turn it in ride around 1/4 and let it fall a little, slightly gas it up to where the bike comes back up from the outward momentum, let off the gas enough to let it catch idle again, repeat...
Oh and only use the brake if I gas it to far back but only enough to get back to idle
This sound promising?
11-09-2006, 12:46 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
ps matt and kyle use to ride at gateway in west palm beach fla you could barely hear your self think the bikes idled so high ......funny how things change!!!!!!! any way watching how smooth they rode back then is why i turn my idle up in the first place now im just use to it.guess im an idle junky created from watchin matt and kyle back when i didnt even ride.it s u c k s when one of your heros slaps you down with out even knowing it hahahahahah now i guess i have to turn my idle down........f u c k that im an idle stunna with a bigggggg sprocket parkin lot pimp. ps ff mirrors blinkers and yup yup a mud flap to......dont get it twisted matt and kyle are still my heros!!!!!!!!
11-09-2006, 12:52 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by shky4
Man Frankie, I didn't know you were that far along in circles. Thats awesome. I didn't know you weren't supposed to try to idle throught the circles either.
Maybe that's why I can only get 76 circles at a time.
Maybe that's why I can only get 76 circles at a time.
11-09-2006, 12:55 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
oh ya hitting the bar is way better than high siding so keep em high and that blurpin the throttle to keep from highsiding does work so dont let any one talk you out of that habit....heres a practice nighthttp://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nt=Sample1.flv
11-09-2006, 01:01 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by SCOTT_Chychul
When you think too much about too many variables it makes it way harder then it needs to be. You want to be at stready speed coming into the circle. Whatever speed you choose, just keep it steady so your not speeding up or slowing down. That way when your coming into it your speed wont be on your mind at all. Dont be affraid to get it leaned over. The more you lean it over before you gas it the more room for error you have. If you keep it up high, as soon as you get on the gas you will be close to a highside scenario. If your nice and low you can get on the gas for a while before its going to get close to highsiding.
I can think of 3 different body positions, lean angles, and speed when going into and while already turning circles.
1 - High and slow idle, and small lean. If your going in slow and the bike is high, or your circle tightens up, and is slow, and you need to be up close to the bike, then after the 1/4 turn in that position, I push the bike down and away from my body and gas it through the next 1/4 or 1/2 turn.
2 - Medium hight, medium speed, medium lean. This is what I call the circle sweet spot. The hard thing is keeping it there 1/4 turn at a time, apply equal amount of gas/break, and be smooth on the throttle and HB to keep it there.
3 - Nose is low, leaned over a lot, and moving fast. If you go in hot, or brake too much and the nose falls you need to gas, gas, gas! To bring it back to the sweet spot but if you gas too much, the bike will come back up high and tight and with that speed guess what... HIGHSIDE!! ha ha.
Basically these are the 3 different areas where you can be at while going into or already in the circle and how to correct yourself when falling out or turning tight, and trying to get back to the sweet spot where they'll be smooth. Hope this helps more..
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11-09-2006, 01:05 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by revditup
I'll try it tonight and see what I can get out of it.
I think I had been doing it backwards. When I was on idle and would go around 1/2 slightly on the brake and when it would start to stand up on me and come out, I would let off the brake and turn it back in. That was the way I learned them dragging foot but I know I had alot more weight on the inside to pull with instead of leaning the bike over as much.
So I think i get it.....say I got the idle up, turn it in ride around 1/4 and let it fall a little, slightly gas it up to where the bike comes back up from the outward momentum, let off the gas enough to let it catch idle again, repeat...
Oh and only use the brake if I gas it to far back but only enough to get back to idle
This sound promising?
I think I had been doing it backwards. When I was on idle and would go around 1/2 slightly on the brake and when it would start to stand up on me and come out, I would let off the brake and turn it back in. That was the way I learned them dragging foot but I know I had alot more weight on the inside to pull with instead of leaning the bike over as much.
So I think i get it.....say I got the idle up, turn it in ride around 1/4 and let it fall a little, slightly gas it up to where the bike comes back up from the outward momentum, let off the gas enough to let it catch idle again, repeat...
Oh and only use the brake if I gas it to far back but only enough to get back to idle
This sound promising?
Last edited by SCOTT_Chychul; 11-09-2006 at 01:08 PM.
11-09-2006, 01:19 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by old man roger
ps matt and kyle use to ride at gateway in west palm beach fla you could barely hear your self think the bikes idled so high ......funny how things change!!!!!!! any way watching how smooth they rode back then is why i turn my idle up in the first place now im just use to it.guess im an idle junky created from watchin matt and kyle back when i didnt even ride.it s u c k s when one of your heros slaps you down with out even knowing it hahahahahah now i guess i have to turn my idle down........f u c k that im an idle stunna with a bigggggg sprocket parkin lot pimp. ps ff mirrors blinkers and yup yup a mud flap to......dont get it twisted matt and kyle are still my heros!!!!!!!!
11-09-2006, 01:22 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by SCOTT_Chychul
Anticipate, and correct it before it even happens. Can you rock a highway wheelie, get off on an exit and then slow it down to almost a stop at a red light because you are in 3rd gear ? Thats right,, bikes have more then one. If not.. i suggest you go out and learn the basic principles of speeding up, slowing down and body weight positioning while the bike is upright before you even think about doing it when its spinning around.
11-09-2006, 01:47 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by revditup
What's your best technique for circles to the left without a HB?
I see different people do circles different ways, Some people go in on idle and turn in and seem to just keep it on idle the hole time maybe blipping every now & then.
Other people go in fast and turn it in but it looks like they are back farther going in & then they're gas brake gas brake gas brake......
Iv'e tried them both ways and I get about the same result either way, I can get in about 3-4 top without having to put it down because of either nearly highsiding or letting it get too low and just pulling the clutch.
I remember the Gorka Woods vid saying to dip it in, accelerate up, dip in etc.
Then I talked to Steve with SF and he says he goes in idle and tries to keep it going smooth not much brake kinda like a NTH.
I just want to be consistant and smooth and I'm gettin a little frustrated gettin it on lock.
I see different people do circles different ways, Some people go in on idle and turn in and seem to just keep it on idle the hole time maybe blipping every now & then.
Other people go in fast and turn it in but it looks like they are back farther going in & then they're gas brake gas brake gas brake......
Iv'e tried them both ways and I get about the same result either way, I can get in about 3-4 top without having to put it down because of either nearly highsiding or letting it get too low and just pulling the clutch.
I remember the Gorka Woods vid saying to dip it in, accelerate up, dip in etc.
Then I talked to Steve with SF and he says he goes in idle and tries to keep it going smooth not much brake kinda like a NTH.
I just want to be consistant and smooth and I'm gettin a little frustrated gettin it on lock.
11-09-2006, 01:53 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Yeah man I need to ride with some people that know what's up.
You remember me (frankie) at Freestyle freek fest in Hattiesburg, MS? I didn't have a bike a the time but It was me and Micah that put it together.
You remember me (frankie) at Freestyle freek fest in Hattiesburg, MS? I didn't have a bike a the time but It was me and Micah that put it together.
11-09-2006, 01:57 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by old man roger
ps matt and kyle use to ride at gateway in west palm beach fla you could barely hear your self think the bikes idled so high ......funny how things change!!!!!!! any way watching how smooth they rode back then is why i turn my idle up in the first place now im just use to it.guess im an idle junky created from watchin matt and kyle back when i didnt even ride.it s u c k s when one of your heros slaps you down with out even knowing it hahahahahah now i guess i have to turn my idle down........f u c k that im an idle stunna with a bigggggg sprocket parkin lot pimp. ps ff mirrors blinkers and yup yup a mud flap to......dont get it twisted matt and kyle are still my heros!!!!!!!!
Come on now. I rode with the idle up for years!!! Not saying anything bad if you do, but I spent some time learning with just the throttle control and I can honestly say, if you have some time to kill and no new tricks to learn, turn the idle down and go practice....You'll thank yourself. It's nice to clutch it up, rock a coaster then dip it into a dozen circles without your bike sounding like a lawnmower all the time.
11-09-2006, 02:13 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by old man roger
oh ya hitting the bar is way better than high siding so keep em high and that blurpin the throttle to keep from highsiding does work so dont let any one talk you out of that habit....heres a practice nighthttp://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nt=Sample1.flv
11-09-2006, 06:30 PM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Originally Posted by Matt Gorka
Come on now. I rode with the idle up for years!!! Not saying anything bad if you do, but I spent some time learning with just the throttle control and I can honestly say, if you have some time to kill and no new tricks to learn, turn the idle down and go practice....You'll thank yourself. It's nice to clutch it up, rock a coaster then dip it into a dozen circles without your bike sounding like a lawnmower all the time.
11-10-2006, 11:25 AM
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Re: How are most consistant with circles??
Didn't get to ride last night dammit!
It's killin me to try this stuff out! I'm gonna ride rain or shine this weekend and I'll try to post some footage of some (hopefully) progress.
It's killin me to try this stuff out! I'm gonna ride rain or shine this weekend and I'll try to post some footage of some (hopefully) progress.
