GundamnitPete

exactly, the pretty bikers will get the media attention.


but for a compitetion, a pretty biek doesn't mean anything if you cannot ride it, but if you CAN ride a shitty bike, then it's something. atleast IMHO.

again, glamma stuntas will get the attention, the poeple with the skill will get the trophies, and sometimes both.

GundamnitPete

but he SHOULD be given a fair chance at a competition.

GundamnitPete

if your doing a show, i'd say correct.

however, if your at a comp to compete, rather than try to make a living, an hour a 20 bucks could be spent on parts you need.

exactly media attention. which has NOTHING to do with the skill of the rider.

competitions should be just that, a competition of skill, not a popularity contest, leave that for TV and magazines.

INSAIN

really....who can't afford 20.00 bux for rattle cans......knowing dates for comps almost two months beforehand

sounds like excuses, not reasonable debate.

pbrchick

Your llbean shoes are pretty gay

new shoelaces - ain't cuttin it!

PETe P

your right

john from legion had a nice lookin rattle can job.

SCOTT_Chychul

I think that the style of bike should be taken into concideration but by no means should you get points just for having one or the other. If two people jump to highchair one will full fairing and one without well odvioulsy the full fairing should score higher, but by no means start off with i higher score just because of the bike he was on. Why do you see darius doing highchair circles on his streetfightered f4i but not his mint 1000rr ? Plain and simple, why would you wreck a clean bike when you can be riding something you don't care about and can smash without worrying.

TEACH C6

you make valid points, but in our sport we are still young enough that skill alone will not get us to the next level...we must look appealing to corporate as well. your argument about the hour and 20 bucks sounds pretty rediculous though. like i said before, overall includes presentation, presentation includes looks, looks includes how clean your bike is.

the point with this aspect of the rule book is to make sure everyone has safe, clean, and corporate aproved (for lack of a better term) motorcycles. you dont get more or less points because your bike has chrome rims and a custom paint job and mine is spray painted. you do however earn less points if your bike is ratty and looks like a peice of isht because your bike looking like a rat trap affects the overall quality and professionalism of your presentation, which affects your overall score.

it has NOTHING to do with money or looking better than the next guy. it has EVERYTHING to do with putting forth a professional image for corporate so we can grow our baby of a sport. so, maybe in five years when there has been a sanctioning body and a bunch of us have hit it big, then presentation wont include appearance; but right now, presentation does include appearance bc we need to be professional. if you cant act like a pro, then dont try and be one. and acting like one includes having your isht together, in all manners...thats why it affects your scoring...sorry, ate some pizza, ran into a wall here.

but anyways, you get my drift.

Schooler

haha teach and gundams are battling with words of intelligence

John LegionST

and teach is winning hands down... wasnt ever really a fair fight in my eyes
(nothing against you pete but you're fighting a losing battle)

PLEASE everyone go re-read Teach's last post... if you dont get it after reading that you just never will... guess i wont be seeing you at other invite events... have fun in your lots on your ugly bikes...


all the "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH" in this thread is GREAT!!!

Kaneone

Think im going to go have some pizza right now...

-kane

322efonic

bro you need to chill teach is the only one that has made good points about any of it yet there is just a lot of pros and cons about it right now i havent heard anything good from you except you talking siht about raty looking bikes i see the point teach is talking about i still just dont see how hugely it affects scores in a comp there are a lot of rules in a comp that are all over the place and i havent really been to one yet that completely follows the xbsa (or whatever they are) rules yet and this time came on the bikes the comp before was the shitty choices of judges that pick there boys to win

John LegionST

HAHAHA... i need to chill??? you guys are the ones beating the dead horse!

Oh and...


That's a quote from post #36 in this thread where i make some good points...

I also quoted Thomas in post #89 and said good point and that everyone should take notes!

I also said on this page that Teach summed it up perfectly... sorry im not RE-itterating the points, im merely quoting the people that HAVE good points!

WE (as a community, meaning everyone at big comps) need to look professional in order to keep the size of these events on the rise! Sh!tty bikes make us look like amatuers. If its put into the rules that bikes must look good to help your OVERALL score, then it's there for a reason, to force us to look professional, unless you want to keep losing points or maybe not even get invited back!!! your call...

Like i said, if after 8 pages and all the good points from MANY people, if you guys dont get it i dont think you ever will...

GundamnitPete

an hour and 20 bucks looks appealing to corporate america?

well here's the thing. if i'm not mistaken, XDL is a comp, not an exibition session or a show.

true, a nicer bike is more photogenic than a shitty one, but my whole point is, it's a competition, not a show.


i'm a firm beleiver in a good rider will make any bike look good.

anyone remember zoltan? you guys remember the bike he rode?

the lil 50cc two smoker from like the year 9? even with that tacky *** bike he was busting no handed circles like nothing and could keep his crowd going.



i disagree, as you are judged also on how you interact with the crowd, the better looking bike will always attract more attention (just as it should, although i don't think it should warrant more or less points, just more or less attention)

here's where i think we're getting a little ahead of ourselfes. agreed it's very important to keep a professional image for an potential sponsers, but you must remember if home depot wants to plaster thier name all over your bike, they are going to want something in return, and as of right now, no stunt rider sees the number of poeple a nascar driver sees.

agreed, to get sponsers you need to put forth a professional appearance, but like i said it's not a show or exibition session right? a competition correct?



here's the thing, is the line for "pro" drawn at number of sponsers or how hard your trying to get them?

or is it based on skill?

GundamnitPete

well yeah the majority's prolly not with me but w/e, i still think a competition should be judged souly on how you compete, not how you look.

GundamnitPete

when it comes to major coporate or factory sponserships, aren't we?

Paw Paw

Petey, I like you and all but here's how it is......Show or comp...it's still a show! If your claiming to be a pro...why wouldn't you want to ride a nice bike? Why wouldn't you want to look sharp for the crowd? ...and if your not claiming to be a pro....then just ride for fun and be happy. There are a lot of people that are trying to get our sport into the mainstream. Come on over, junior. Get on the winning team. Be one of the good guys in the white hats! ...or just stay behind the keyboard and talk crap. lol

GundamnitPete

like i was saying, the riders with minty bikes will get the attention for it.

even if they don't score well, they will get the attention from the crowd for it.

i don't think looks should be a factor in judging tho, i feel judging should be done as if you watched the rider ride in a bigass white room.

scored souly on how they performed thier tricks/routine.

Paw Paw

I understand what your saying but comp or not, you still have to draw spectators...and spectators like nice bikes.lol All this has been said in this thread 50 times. But, the old and wise PawPaw has a remedy for the situation.....We'll let Thomas run the XDL and all you fellas can have your own comp. Then, we'll compare which one was more succesfull. If you guys kickass at yours, then we'll all start riding POS bikes again! :YEAH

Paw Paw

...."Christ allmighty...It's like I'm playing cards with my brothers kids" ..."You nerve rackin sonsof*****es" lol Tell me what movie that's from, kids?