shock value vs. talent
01-25-2006, 06:01 AM
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shock value vs. talent
i was once heavily involved in this community, and to this day i try to stay up to date on what's going on the stunt world.
out of observation for over 4 years i believe the potential for a career stunting depends on the name of this thread.
kane said it, in a indirect way "idle this", or in general stunt riding is entertaining due to the danger or "shock value" not total control.
i respect darius' ability to manuver a 500lb m/c like every other talented rider. but the everyday nhra, nascar, motorsport enthusiasts gets their kicks off of watching us risk our lives w/ what appears to be death defying tricks.
Merk is the prime example. Name a rider, fan, or spectator that didn't think his riding style was what our sport was about. Sitting on the edge of your sit, you we're sure he was doomed, and his japanese built sportbike was soon to be totalled. Harley enthuisiasts loved the concept, as well as every other gear head on earth. When he pulled out "Merk Steps" every other rider was envious of the concept alone. He was doing all this out of dedication, no hand brakes, just pure nuts. At 19 years young he was the rider to out whit. And today he is out of the scene due to lack of proper compensation.
Merk and I attended Lonestar Biker Bash in late '03, before hand brakes and circle combo's. Gorka, Hoenshell, and Woods had most of the catalog locked, and seldomely competed, attending events more as a special guest. Those guys watched Merk and I ride, cuz we were pushing envelopes. In MI, shortly after Wood's famed clutch cable failure to head shot, I was intentionally dumping the clutch at rev limiter. A loud style that appeared to be O.C., when in reality it was controlled. After seeing some of the "politics" of the industry @ LSBB we confided in each other that we would have the "sickest" tricks the following season. And I believe we both held up to our commitment to each other. In 04 @ the Stuntlife comp. I scraped a HC four times in less than 500ft and lost to a watchtower, the same trick that one the year before. To this day others and I believe it was the biggest upset of our sport. It was a simple matter of speed and commitment. Toast's trick was @ about 6mph, if failed a sprained ankle and small road rash, my commitment was much greater. Realistically I risked breaking several bones, possibly even my neck if my stunt was not executed properly. That event opened my eyes as to what I was doing w/ my life and talent, and I made the decision to retire from my dedication to this growing sport.
The purpose of this post is to confirm to new comers and industry vets what is gonna take this sport to the spotlight we all want it to be in. Straight up dangerous acts, that keep people on the edge of their seats.
THAT IS MY STATEMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY "RIDE TO KEEP SPECTATORS THINKING YOU'RE GONNA DIE" end of story
rodger. btw, i can still ride in this fashion. i don't have circles on lock, and still book several shows a year because promoters know I can entertain crowds w/o the most tech. tricks.
p.s. run a d&d pipe to make as much noise as possible, or even a staight header. crowds like noise too.
out of observation for over 4 years i believe the potential for a career stunting depends on the name of this thread.
kane said it, in a indirect way "idle this", or in general stunt riding is entertaining due to the danger or "shock value" not total control.
i respect darius' ability to manuver a 500lb m/c like every other talented rider. but the everyday nhra, nascar, motorsport enthusiasts gets their kicks off of watching us risk our lives w/ what appears to be death defying tricks.
Merk is the prime example. Name a rider, fan, or spectator that didn't think his riding style was what our sport was about. Sitting on the edge of your sit, you we're sure he was doomed, and his japanese built sportbike was soon to be totalled. Harley enthuisiasts loved the concept, as well as every other gear head on earth. When he pulled out "Merk Steps" every other rider was envious of the concept alone. He was doing all this out of dedication, no hand brakes, just pure nuts. At 19 years young he was the rider to out whit. And today he is out of the scene due to lack of proper compensation.
Merk and I attended Lonestar Biker Bash in late '03, before hand brakes and circle combo's. Gorka, Hoenshell, and Woods had most of the catalog locked, and seldomely competed, attending events more as a special guest. Those guys watched Merk and I ride, cuz we were pushing envelopes. In MI, shortly after Wood's famed clutch cable failure to head shot, I was intentionally dumping the clutch at rev limiter. A loud style that appeared to be O.C., when in reality it was controlled. After seeing some of the "politics" of the industry @ LSBB we confided in each other that we would have the "sickest" tricks the following season. And I believe we both held up to our commitment to each other. In 04 @ the Stuntlife comp. I scraped a HC four times in less than 500ft and lost to a watchtower, the same trick that one the year before. To this day others and I believe it was the biggest upset of our sport. It was a simple matter of speed and commitment. Toast's trick was @ about 6mph, if failed a sprained ankle and small road rash, my commitment was much greater. Realistically I risked breaking several bones, possibly even my neck if my stunt was not executed properly. That event opened my eyes as to what I was doing w/ my life and talent, and I made the decision to retire from my dedication to this growing sport.
The purpose of this post is to confirm to new comers and industry vets what is gonna take this sport to the spotlight we all want it to be in. Straight up dangerous acts, that keep people on the edge of their seats.
THAT IS MY STATEMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY "RIDE TO KEEP SPECTATORS THINKING YOU'RE GONNA DIE" end of story
rodger. btw, i can still ride in this fashion. i don't have circles on lock, and still book several shows a year because promoters know I can entertain crowds w/o the most tech. tricks.
p.s. run a d&d pipe to make as much noise as possible, or even a staight header. crowds like noise too.
01-25-2006, 06:34 AM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
At a comp here there was Darius, Tony D, Nick Hill and a few others but the bloke that got the biggest cheer had the least stunts but he looked wild and out of control so the crowd loved him.
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01-25-2006, 08:09 AM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
I've been saying this fer years. Anyone who has seen me and my team's riding style knows... we can DO the tech. tricks... but pull out the "HOLYSH!T HE ALMOST ATE IT" tricks (even if that means not riding perfectly smooth ON PURPOSE) for the crowds and at shows... If you caught the nighttime fairgrounds show during Biketoberfest (or any other show we did this year) you know what im talking about
Bottom line is to get respect from other riders you need to be an idle ***** most of the time... but to make crowds cheer you have to ride to entertain and that almost always mean VERY minimal idle... put yourself on the line and use a LOT of talent (cause as it was stated before, crash at idle, walk away... crash otherwise and there are way more harsh consequences)
People say HB's are ruining the sport... i say it's the WAY people are using them!!!
Bottom line is to get respect from other riders you need to be an idle ***** most of the time... but to make crowds cheer you have to ride to entertain and that almost always mean VERY minimal idle... put yourself on the line and use a LOT of talent (cause as it was stated before, crash at idle, walk away... crash otherwise and there are way more harsh consequences)
People say HB's are ruining the sport... i say it's the WAY people are using them!!!
01-25-2006, 11:13 AM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
Originally Posted by rui929cracka
people like speed noise death and hot women :YEAH 
Wait til a hot woman that rides like a crazed madman actually pops up...
fishnet spreader circle wheelies with 8" stilletto heels on
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01-25-2006, 11:27 AM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
the crowds we play to burnout are where its at BP no handed wheelies yeah looks hard is hard but squeeling tires, fast whoolies and 1 oclocks are the crowd favorite, 2 ups seem to be crowd pleasers too.
Just when i thought i was doin it right, I get told its all wrong
Just when i thought i was doin it right, I get told its all wrong
01-25-2006, 11:36 AM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
I say keep it to the streets, high speed old school combos!
I don't see the point in buying a 10k dollar bike that does 180mph and can smoke just about anything on the road to wheelie it at 5mph. sounds kinda boring if you ask me.
I save the slow lot riding for the 50's!
but to each there own!
I don't see the point in buying a 10k dollar bike that does 180mph and can smoke just about anything on the road to wheelie it at 5mph. sounds kinda boring if you ask me.
I save the slow lot riding for the 50's!
but to each there own!
01-25-2006, 12:19 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
Very good to take up these things..
I still think there have to be alot of talent when stunting.. It's like martial arts. The one who has the best tech. will eventually punch the harder and faster then the others. You just have to take your talent and put it on speed and really try how close to the edge you can go.
I really think this sport is bullshit if I'm going to ride to the future cutting on my tech. tricks and just make my basic **** seem wobly and out of control.
But still I don't think hc12's are basic ****.. That's a very serious trick specially when it's done w/o a handbrake.
Talent have alot to do with this sport.. If not otherwise, then the most talented rider will have the skills to do the most wobbly and shocking wheelie
I still think there have to be alot of talent when stunting.. It's like martial arts. The one who has the best tech. will eventually punch the harder and faster then the others. You just have to take your talent and put it on speed and really try how close to the edge you can go.
I really think this sport is bullshit if I'm going to ride to the future cutting on my tech. tricks and just make my basic **** seem wobly and out of control.
But still I don't think hc12's are basic ****.. That's a very serious trick specially when it's done w/o a handbrake.
Talent have alot to do with this sport.. If not otherwise, then the most talented rider will have the skills to do the most wobbly and shocking wheelie
01-25-2006, 12:51 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
its like any other sport.
100% of the riders can do a wheelie
80% can do tech stuff
60% can actually do something besides a wheelie
30% are well rounded
15% are well rounded and entertainnig
10% are well rounded, entertaining, and professional (the whole package)
5% have the whole package and the means to do something with it
1% has the whole package, the means, and actually does something with it.
if they aren't cheeering, you need to go home.
idle this!
100% of the riders can do a wheelie
80% can do tech stuff
60% can actually do something besides a wheelie
30% are well rounded
15% are well rounded and entertainnig
10% are well rounded, entertaining, and professional (the whole package)
5% have the whole package and the means to do something with it
1% has the whole package, the means, and actually does something with it.
if they aren't cheeering, you need to go home.
idle this!
01-25-2006, 12:51 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
Gotta agree with this one...
Learned slow idle stuff at least a couple of yrs ago and thats all I did for awhile, came to a point where I didnt get that rush and excitement that I once had when I went out and practiced, high rpms are where its at for me, and no exhaust
crank your idles down
Learned slow idle stuff at least a couple of yrs ago and thats all I did for awhile, came to a point where I didnt get that rush and excitement that I once had when I went out and practiced, high rpms are where its at for me, and no exhaust
crank your idles down
01-25-2006, 12:58 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
Originally Posted by TEACH C6
its like any other sport.
100% of the riders can do a wheelie
80% can do tech stuff
60% can actually do something besides a wheelie
30% are well rounded
15% are well rounded and entertainnig
10% are well rounded, entertaining, and professional (the whole package)
5% have the whole package and the means to do something with it
1% has the whole package, the means, and actually does something with it.
if they aren't cheeering, you need to go home.
idle this!
100% of the riders can do a wheelie
80% can do tech stuff
60% can actually do something besides a wheelie
30% are well rounded
15% are well rounded and entertainnig
10% are well rounded, entertaining, and professional (the whole package)
5% have the whole package and the means to do something with it
1% has the whole package, the means, and actually does something with it.
if they aren't cheeering, you need to go home.
idle this!
ahhh teach commin through with the words of wisdom! Urban live was awsome man loved the film. Hopefully we will see you at humboldt this year!
01-25-2006, 12:58 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
Originally Posted by Kaneone
Wait til a hot woman that rides like a crazed madman actually pops up...
fishnet spreader circle wheelies with 8" stilletto heels on
-kane
fishnet spreader circle wheelies with 8" stilletto heels on
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hahahaa yeah boi! that would be sick playmate stunters :YEAH
01-25-2006, 01:00 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
Originally Posted by TEACH C6
its like any other sport.
100% of the riders can do a wheelie
80% can do tech stuff
60% can actually do something besides a wheelie
30% are well rounded
15% are well rounded and entertainnig
10% are well rounded, entertaining, and professional (the whole package)
5% have the whole package and the means to do something with it
1% has the whole package, the means, and actually does something with it.
if they aren't cheeering, you need to go home.
idle this!
100% of the riders can do a wheelie
80% can do tech stuff
60% can actually do something besides a wheelie
30% are well rounded
15% are well rounded and entertainnig
10% are well rounded, entertaining, and professional (the whole package)
5% have the whole package and the means to do something with it
1% has the whole package, the means, and actually does something with it.
if they aren't cheeering, you need to go home.
idle this!
01-25-2006, 01:24 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
Originally Posted by TEACH C6
its like any other sport.
100% of the riders can do a wheelie
80% can do tech stuff
60% can actually do something besides a wheelie
30% are well rounded
15% are well rounded and entertainnig
10% are well rounded, entertaining, and professional (the whole package)
5% have the whole package and the means to do something with it
1% has the whole package, the means, and actually does something with it.
if they aren't cheeering, you need to go home.
idle this!
100% of the riders can do a wheelie
80% can do tech stuff
60% can actually do something besides a wheelie
30% are well rounded
15% are well rounded and entertainnig
10% are well rounded, entertaining, and professional (the whole package)
5% have the whole package and the means to do something with it
1% has the whole package, the means, and actually does something with it.
if they aren't cheeering, you need to go home.
idle this!
3/4 of america sucks at math... the other 1/2 doesnt care!
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01-25-2006, 01:35 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
the point is that there are a ton of stunters. a ton that are good. plenty that are amazing on a bike. but very few who are amazing on a bike, are entertaining, and have their isht together.
that was no math so all you guys with slow brains should get it.
those #'s were made up obviously, but they deomonstrat ehte point.
NBA: millions of dudes with hops and a jump shot. not so many of them have everything required to make the NBA, including the right attitude, being int he right place at the right time, knowing the right college coach, etc.
i digress. make sure you entertain the crowd and ride aggressively!...real aggressively! agressively enough to make your heart jump into your throat: then you will be smiling and laughing along with the fans when you almost wad it up!
that was no math so all you guys with slow brains should get it.
those #'s were made up obviously, but they deomonstrat ehte point.
NBA: millions of dudes with hops and a jump shot. not so many of them have everything required to make the NBA, including the right attitude, being int he right place at the right time, knowing the right college coach, etc.
i digress. make sure you entertain the crowd and ride aggressively!...real aggressively! agressively enough to make your heart jump into your throat: then you will be smiling and laughing along with the fans when you almost wad it up!
01-25-2006, 02:08 PM
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Re: shock value vs. talent
ILL OUT-ENTERTAIN DARIUS WITH MY CHRISTS ANYDAY!
i think being able to entertain stunters should be more important than entertaining everyone else, but thats just my
i think being able to entertain stunters should be more important than entertaining everyone else, but thats just my
