Longest stoppie on F4i??
10-13-2005 | 04:52 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
only differnce i feel in 954 and f4i brakes is that the 954 brakes are more powerful..once a stoppie is balanced i dont see what the point of having powerful brakes is..same with wheelies..sure a 954 will come up easier but thats that make it better for stunting? not really..id say get a good front tire and damper then try to roll them
10-13-2005 | 05:05 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by CRAZY DAN
only reason i can see to add a 929/954 front end would be for the better braking system / bigger rotors. honestly i dont think this matters though for stoppies. put a good scotts damper on the f4i and youll be good to go!
as far as the upside down forks being stiffer and better for stoppies. i disagree too. it might be the case for when your learning stoppies, your going slower and it may help bring your tire up faster. but once you learn to roll long stoppies, i think stiff suspension makes it harder to get the rear tire off the ground. ive noticed that on my 954 with stiff suspension the front tire doesnt want to hook up as well compared to slower speed stoppies. with softer suspension your bike dives down more throwing more weight onto the front tire causing it to grab and hook up better!
back to my previous post....either way will get the job done, one may be easier then the other, it just depends on how bad you want it!
:YEAH
as far as the upside down forks being stiffer and better for stoppies. i disagree too. it might be the case for when your learning stoppies, your going slower and it may help bring your tire up faster. but once you learn to roll long stoppies, i think stiff suspension makes it harder to get the rear tire off the ground. ive noticed that on my 954 with stiff suspension the front tire doesnt want to hook up as well compared to slower speed stoppies. with softer suspension your bike dives down more throwing more weight onto the front tire causing it to grab and hook up better!
back to my previous post....either way will get the job done, one may be easier then the other, it just depends on how bad you want it!
:YEAH
10-13-2005 | 09:13 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by CRAZY DAN
only reason i can see to add a 929/954 front end would be for the better braking system / bigger rotors. honestly i dont think this matters though for stoppies. put a good scotts damper on the f4i and youll be good to go!
as far as the upside down forks being stiffer and better for stoppies. i disagree too. it might be the case for when your learning stoppies, your going slower and it may help bring your tire up faster. but once you learn to roll long stoppies, i think stiff suspension makes it harder to get the rear tire off the ground. ive noticed that on my 954 with stiff suspension the front tire doesnt want to hook up as well compared to slower speed stoppies. with softer suspension your bike dives down more throwing more weight onto the front tire causing it to grab and hook up better!
back to my previous post....either way will get the job done, one may be easier then the other, it just depends on how bad you want it!
:YEAH
as far as the upside down forks being stiffer and better for stoppies. i disagree too. it might be the case for when your learning stoppies, your going slower and it may help bring your tire up faster. but once you learn to roll long stoppies, i think stiff suspension makes it harder to get the rear tire off the ground. ive noticed that on my 954 with stiff suspension the front tire doesnt want to hook up as well compared to slower speed stoppies. with softer suspension your bike dives down more throwing more weight onto the front tire causing it to grab and hook up better!
back to my previous post....either way will get the job done, one may be easier then the other, it just depends on how bad you want it!
:YEAH
but the bike thing is right...it ain the bike, it is the right wrist!
10-13-2005 | 11:00 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
I agree with Teach. I always had my 900 set up with basic Ferodo brakes (each pad looks like a bar of soap, they're so big) street compound. I like a smooth, progressive feel. When the bike is vertical, I prefer a slower reacting brake system. Forks are re-sprung with stiffer springs .95's or 1.0's and thicker fluid. Stiff is predictible. Dan is right, you do tend to push the front end more with stiffer forks, but if you adapt your style it's ok. I also have a trick I'll put cash nobody does, and that is drop the forks down into the triple about a half inch from stock location....The opposite of lowering your bike. You can tailor your bikes geometry a little bit for a different feel. The forks on my 900 were about 1/8 inch below the top of the triple clamps. This made the balance point feel much more stable, like that of an old school ZX-6, which has slightly more lazy front end. The above trick may work in getting you the same feel as a 929 front end. There are a few more tricks we'll show you in the Level-X stoppie vid.
P.S. I'll be looking at your triple clamps to see if you were listening.
Someone try it and let us know what your results were.
P.S. I'll be looking at your triple clamps to see if you were listening.
Someone try it and let us know what your results were.
10-13-2005 | 11:14 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
good stuff matt, i run a really similar set-up to teach but the lowering the forks in the tripleclamp trick is news to me! thanks! if i can get some free time next week ill try it out and let you know what i think.
right now i have a pretty solid feeling stoppie setup, nice balance and control, but im willing to try it
right now i have a pretty solid feeling stoppie setup, nice balance and control, but im willing to try it
10-13-2005 | 11:21 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by Matt Gorka
I also have a trick I'll put cash nobody does, and that is drop the forks down into the triple about a half inch from stock location....The opposite of lowering your bike. You can tailor your bikes geometry a little bit for a different feel. The forks on my 900 were about 1/8 inch below the top of the triple clamps. This made the balance point feel much more stable, like that of an old school ZX-6, which has slightly more lazy front end.
10-13-2005 | 12:37 PM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by john LegionST
good stuff matt, i run a really similar set-up to teach but the lowering the forks in the tripleclamp trick is news to me! thanks! if i can get some free time next week ill try it out and let you know what i think.
right now i have a pretty solid feeling stoppie setup, nice balance and control, but im willing to try it
right now i have a pretty solid feeling stoppie setup, nice balance and control, but im willing to try it
10-14-2005 | 03:11 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by Ryan Cramer
600's in general arent so bad,
you can tell a difference though, its about adapting to equipment
you can tell a difference though, its about adapting to equipment
10-14-2005 | 09:41 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by KING JEREMY
DON'T MAKE ME PUT IT ON YOU AGAIN!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA, you got lucky...
naaaaahhhhh, you had me by a little, but be careful, don't get lazy cause im still coming...
10-14-2005 | 10:48 AM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
thats what i like to hear! but for real, you better roll out aleast 750, cause im coming strong. i put pilot power on the front and boy does that **** hook up. tapped out 5th gear!!!
10-14-2005 | 04:23 PM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by f4rider
exactly what i was thinking.
If you want stiffer forks, then mess with the preload and compression damping.
If you want stronger brakes, then get HH pads.
I also remember gorka saying that weak brakes are better; they give you better control when up near the balance point.
If you want stiffer forks, then mess with the preload and compression damping.
If you want stronger brakes, then get HH pads.
I also remember gorka saying that weak brakes are better; they give you better control when up near the balance point.
STOCK pads all the way around...........
10-14-2005 | 05:20 PM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by KING JEREMY
thats what i like to hear! but for real, you better roll out aleast 750, cause im coming strong. i put pilot power on the front and boy does that **** hook up. tapped out 5th gear!!!
i haven't been to a spot where i could ring it out lately so i don't know what my top distance is... but me and ed were practicing from 300 ft approach a couple weeks ago and i went a little over 400, not too bad, but i know i got more! lol next year we're gonna need a rent an airport to see who's got what! LOL
10-19-2005 | 03:25 PM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
I seen Rommel rolling like 600+ft at stuntwars with stock forks and no damper
10-19-2005 | 03:26 PM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
I plan on doing some stoppies on my f4i if I ever finish it. And if I find some rotors
PM me if you have F4 rotors!
PM me if you have F4 rotors!
10-25-2005 | 04:41 PM
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Re: Longest stoppie on F4i??
Originally Posted by nags
I seen Rommel rolling like 600+ft at stuntwars with stock forks and no damper
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