You people are lost! Everyone keeps repeating what the they read "the weld didnt penetrate" Open you eyes there is weld on both pieces of the frame that seperated. If it didnt pentrate it would be pulled off the metal that was a good weld, it split right down the middle becasue of the force of the hit it took. I guess no one notices that not only did the weld split but the cast section under the weld cracked right in half. No weld could have held those 2 sections together with a hit like that frame took, I mean common the front wheel shattered and the fork tubes were ripped right out!

Sure if it was an old style frame made of extruded sections and less brittle cast parts the weld might not have split. Welds on the new style frames are weaker than in the past, because of the type of aluminum that has to be used to be able to form such complex castings. Even though it might not have spit the weld something would have to give! Either an extrusion would have bent or tweaked or a cast part cracked. Does it really matter though the outcome is the same YOUR FRAME GETS FED UP WHEN YOU SMASH INTO A WALL! SOME THING HAS TO GIVE.

 

I'm a little confused. Are these frames breaking when they are riding or are they breaking from the crash? I've got the 05 1k and as far as the frame I don't think it's much different then the 04 600,750. The subframe is a lot different but that doesn't seem to be the problem. It's designed to be raced, not run down the highway 120 mph on one wheel or thrown into a wall at over 100 mph. These bikes get lighter and more powerful every year and with that comes less integrity. If you want a bike that will dive into a corner just as fast as any 600 with a top speed of almost 200 mph that can be reached faster than ever before, this is the bike for you. If you want a bike to lay over every time a circle goes wrong or to park at a 12, buy a honda. These bikes are meant to be raced, not stunted.

 

coming from an OEM of automotive,


This will probably relate to a minor issue. There is too much product validation testing that goes into this and testing preformed on welds. There are checks done for penetration, beat thickness, things of that nature that would not allow this to be possible. The validation for these machines is a termendous process. As long as Suzuki has been making these machines, I highly doubt that this was an Engineering problem.

 

This guy crashed into a wall and after seeing the huge crack in the frame he said this.

"This all makes perfect sense now. This thing came apart on me at the top of turn one just as I was counter steering at well over 100 miles an hour entering the turn."

So hes trying to say that he crashed because his fame cracked in half while in a turn.

No you a$$hat it split in half when it hit the wall "at well over 100 miles an hour".

 

so I emailed the guy and asked if he was full of ****.


From: dan@orderstorm.com
To: jayseal22@aol.com
Cc: rruusseell1@aol.com
Bcc:
Subject: RE: did your frame crack before the wreck or after? these guys are saying your full of **** are you?
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:10:44 -0600


Zero penetration weld equals almost zero strength and that means this weld wasn't holding **** together. The bike was not working correctly. The rear would not hook up exiting the turns and the cause of the crash was because the front washed for no reason. My position is that the frame was failing on the track and causing these problems. The wide separation in the failed weld is probably due to an impact with the wall. Keep in mind, the bike was going about 110 MPH when it washed and it laid down on the left side and slid for about 80 yards before hitting the wall. There is no way the bike still had enough inertia after sliding 80 yards to snap the frame in half--this thing was broke BEFORE ever hitting the ground and the impact with the wall just separated it even more. Corner workers reported the bike falling apart before ever impacting the wall but I still need to try and talk to all the witnesses of the crash to determine this.

By the way, it would not be landing a wheelie at 70 MPH that would break the frame because when you set the bike back down from a wheelie the force is upward on the front of the bike. However, when you pull the front off the ground that is when the rider is hanging the front of the bike off of the frame and putting force on the welded (or in my case, non-welded) part of the frame. The rider is also putting this part of the frame under force while braking and while counter-steering (cornering) which is twisting the frame. That is exactly what is being done while racing--heavy acceleration, heavy braking, and heavy counter-steering. Now, picture a piece of wire coat hanger that is about 10" long. You can hold it at either end and and bend it up, down and side to side. The wire will flex but not break. Now let's cut this wire in half and weld it back together. If the weld is cold this wire will break at the weld after bending the wire for a period of time. Now, let's consider that the weld is proper and has good penetration. You can take both ends of this wire and bend them together, you can twist the wire, you can do anything you want to this wire and it will NEVER break on that weld--NEVER.

I'll tell you who is full of ****. Suzuki is aware of this problem and recognizes it as a problem but they still did not alert the race teams with 2005 GSXR 1000s to check their frames.

The bike is currently at a metallurgical laboratory.

Hey Russell, did you see the crash? Can you please call me at (720) 939-8467. Do you know who else saw the crash?

Thanks!
Dan

 

That is a damn good post. Thanks,

 

suzuki's suck, buy a honda

 

agreed

 

Yer both off your rockers. Just see what happens when this issue is resolved and Suzuki is still dominating the liter series.

 

Wierd, I've never had a problem. Want to race????

 

i don't think he ever said anything about the speed, there's alot more to a good bike than it just being fast.

 

Like what?? Acceleration, braking, cornering. All of which this new gixxer stomps on a honda. You can have your opinion and I'll have mine, but I think this is all a bunch of hype and I'll make sure I'm extra hard on my frame to prove it to you.

 

hey dude why dont you calm down. Its not saying suzy sux its just saying watch your self. before you get on it and you do your walk around take a look at the welds. the end just something of a heads up. I dont care if others dont like your bike but at least we wont see you in the threads asking for prayers.

 

so this is the reason i buy hondas.....first the zx10s and now the gsxr1000 hmmmmmmm

 

um...dude the weld should be stronger than the sorounding metal. and most machine welds are eqaul on both sides of the metal.


they said "on closer inspection" the weld looks to have no penetration......end of story.


0 penetration=same as stamping!

 

in 2002 I would have maybe bought a honda because they had a split front and rear seat. The new honda f4i's (not to rip on anyone who owns one) have the gay katana banana seat, looking at it makes me sick when i see how they ruined a good looking sport bike. Now its 2005 and I would still buy a Gixxer over a CBR as a primary bike to get me places first and stunt second, but I still plan on buying an 01/02 f4i sometime this summer as a crash bike because there is no doubt hondas can take a beating.

I had my gauge cluster and headlight almost come off on I75 two nights ago after coming down off a wheelie too hard on Royal Lane, the two bolts holding it on to the frame came loose and almost completely out

any bike is better than no bike

 

i'll be honest, honda doesn't have a single new bike that i'm interested in, i really only like the f4i's and 929's, don't really know why...

 

it was probably an AFI running the job that day

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

AFI = Attendance Fill In (For those who don't know)

 

That sucks.