aight, heres a question ive wanted to know for awhile.

can you use a fully synthetic CAR oil in your bike...

can it damage the clutch? would it slip?

all i want to know if itll damage the clutch....

fully synthetic car oil like mobil 1 is what i use in car and i know i can go for about 6k miles before a change, so i was considering putting that in my bike and trying it out for 1500 miles.

if itll damage the clutch, i wont use it.

 

Listen. You are going to hear a zillion things on this. Some LOVE their bikes some don't care as they BEAT it down and will have a new motor thrown in a matter of days or less.

I say *** that ****.

Why?

Cars have a oil designated for the engine. Cars have a specific oil designated for the transmissions, a specific oil for the differential.

Bikes oil is made for the engine and the trannie all in one. Bikes also use the same oil for your clutch. This is what is called a "wet clutch"... Why risk using something that is not made for your biek in it?

Now I am not going to lie. I HAVE used it in my bikes. But it wasn't as bad as you think. I used it in my old bike, the first street bike that had gears to shift, was a '71 CB 550 and that was in '92. The damn think leaked so bad etc I was just like "*** it".... The technology wasn't that good then either.

The next time was when my water pump broke and leaked water into my crank case. The water and oil mixed and was hard as *** to rid the moisture out once it has gotten in their bad. So I rode it with car oil, drained and changed, did that 6 times, then put bike oil back in. Knowing I am going to trash it anyway, I didn't use expensive bike oil.

Now, if you are going to spend as much as synthetic oil you might as well buy the bike oil, right?

Why risk it? The researchers and engineers make bike oil not for the money or to look cool. Otherwise you'd see car/truck/motorcycle oil advertised as one. There can't be that bad of a monopoly on it.

Bike oil isn't that bad. Pay the thing by the gallon and you'll save money....

Alot of stunters don't care as they figure they'll blow the motor anyway and get a new one but for me, I want my baby to last to the potential it could. I mean, I have seen bikes go for 80,000 miles no prob.. So try to make he live through her abuse. I mean, its the least you could do when you beat he up like that....

 

Oil is oil is oil....the only things you need to worry about with a bike is(since the transmission is connected to the motor)is the API additives(SF, SG, ect)that is what you need to look for. Check your owners manual for what API additives your bike needs.
Also, some synthetics/ synthetic blends are so slippery that they will tend to make the trasnmission/clutch slip.I would do little trial and error(you will know if its too slippery for your sepcific bike ar taste as soon as you start riding)
And just remember that most people are harder on their bikes(higher revving engines ) than on their cars......so dont risk waiting longer for an oil change.

 

whats the ap rating for bikes?

 

it is different for some bikes...mine is SF or SG on a Gix 6, just look in yer owners manual(or look online)

 

anyone know where i can find some good info on this online?

thanks

 

Synthetics, Slipperiness and Wet Clutches


Many people have the perception that since synthetics are more slippery than petroleum oils (which simple don't reduce friction as well), that wet clutch packs in motorcycle transmission will slip when using "super slippery synthetics". Synthetic oil is no more "slippery" than petroleum oil. It simply has a more uniform molecular structure which reduces frictional resistance better than the irregular shape and size molecular structure of a petroleum oil.

Look at it this way. Wet sandpaper removes paint as well as dry sandpaper does. The slipperiness of the water does not impede the sandpaper's ability to function. The same applies to the "slipperiness" of synthetic lubes in wet clutches.

If used dry, the sandpaper is soon filled with paint and no longer works- it slips across the surface without grasping the surface. If kept clean and free of paint, it continues to work. The lubricating/cleaning solution used can be water, soap, oil or any other liquid. The liquid's slipperiness does not affect the performance of the sandpaper.

It is simply not an issue. However, just as rinsing the sandpaper keeps it cleaner longer so it functions better longer, so the synthetic lubricant keeps wet clutch plates cleaner longer so they function better.

AMSOIL synthetic lubricants will prevent deposit buildup on clutch plates, therefore keeping the face clean and able to do its job in preventing slippage.

And, since synthetics are superior cooling agents to conventional petroleum lubes, using synthetics will help wet clutches last longer, too.

Petroleum oils have low resistance to heat and allow varnish and glaze to form on clutch plates, which eventually leads to slippage and increased heat generation and eventually failure of the clutch pack.

Also, AMSOIL motorcycle oils are specifically formulated without any friction modifiers for compatibility with wet clutch packs. AMSOIL ATF lubricants are also designed with specific coefficient of friction values to meet the requirements of each and every specification that it not only meets, but far exceeds.

Now you know the facts. The next time your buddy mentions this as a potential issue, you can explain to him exactly why it is simply not an issue

 

but...one thing that is true that you must consider is, if your bike has any oil leaks... using synthetic's can cause that area to seep more..

 

I use Afro-sheen... Man that sh-t never breaks down.

 

okay....thanks for the info...pretty cool to know.

but the question is

Can i use CAR oil in Motorcycles if i have the right ap rating....synthetic or not.

half the people elsewhere tell me that car oil is exactly the same..others say HELL NO! because of the tranny...

 

like someone said above..stick to "motorcycle oil" its not worth the gamble to find out,some guys claim they run Mobil 1 car oil in there bikes but I dont know because I dont do anything with that oil,but I myself have always stuck with the containers that specify motorcycle oil..you will feel safer knowing its made for a bike !
and wont damage it,but no matter what you use for oil, if you beat your bike change it often,I change my oil every 1000-1500 miles but Im not always easy on my bikes,and thats running synthetic,it gets expensive but its worth it in the long run

 

On the back of a quart of auto oil there is a sun kinda symbol that has the sg,sf whatever rating...if it says 'energy conserving' it has anti-friction agents which means your clutch will go out sooner.

 

As I said before, oil is oil, there is no such thing as "motorcycle oil" it is oil plain and simple.So you can use whatever brand you choose as long as it has the right additives and is the right weight you want /need.
If you will have better piece of mind because there is a picture of a motorcycle on the bottle.....then use that kind.

 

Mobil 1 Fully Synthetic (red cap/silver bottle) is awesome. Its sold everywhere and performs great. Never burned out a clutch, never blown a motor! Nuff said.

 

red cap? shoot, i think i saw that at wal mart!

i read up on the web about Mobil1 Mx4t motorcycle oils and people are saying its the same thing as the mobil one....

how long have you been using this?

does anyone use amsoil?

cause they sell the amsoil motorcycle synthetic oil for 59$ (12 quarts) thats like as much as one oil change from motul!

 

Ive used mobil 1 since the day I bought my bike (oil change the day I got it just to be safe). My boys have used it too.. between 6 bikes none have had any problems in a year of hard stunting! But I do agree with this, use what you feel safe with. Peace of mind is invaluable, but then again the extra $$ and time not wasted in trying to find a motorcycle shop thats open to buy the "motorcycle oil" isnt bad either.

 

I sell it so of course I use it Ive used AMSOIL for a long time in all my bikes,hell I use AMSOIL in my boys scrambler 50 and about everything else I own car,weedwacker etc.
and my friends use it in their bikes.It also makes for a smoother shifting bike too

 

how much is the mobil 1 red cap per quart?

the main reason im asking all this jibberish is due to the money i put into an oil change...

if i can save money by using 5.95 quarts, ill do that from now on...